The Socialist Party are now an alternative - Questions regarding their manifesto

Luigi Vampa

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I, like many other voters, have become disillusioned with the plutocracy of FF/FG and the mess it got us into.

Labour seem to be more of the same. Another moderately right of centre party, that pretends to be left wing.

SF - Slightly to the left, but I can’t quite come to terms with their republicanism and where all that mock patriotism has led us before.

I realise that the Socialist party are fairly far over in the left, and have little chance of being in power, but a few more socialist party TD's might just be the type of counterbalance the country needs for a few years to bring us back on an even keel.

My main query to Socialist Party members and other socialists, is how would the Socialist party's policies work in practice ?




Workers' Rights
- A guaranteed right to a job or training with decent wages and full workers' rights.

- For a minimum wage of €12 an hour tax free with no exemptions.

- For a 35 hour week without loss of pay.

- For a decent social welfare payment, linked to average earnings.

- Free childcare for all.

Reclaim the trade unions
- For democratic trade unions to fight in the interests of their members on pay, conditions and job security.

- Full time union officials should be regularly elected and receive the average wage of those they represent.

- Scrap the anti-union laws. An end to "social partnership".

Health
- For a free public national health service. No to private health care.

Education
- Free, quality education for all from primary to university, with a living grant.

Housing
- For a massive public house building programme, funded by central government to eliminate the housing waiting lists.

Privatisation
- No to privatisation, public private partnerships and private finance initiatives.

- All publicly owned services and companies to be run under democratic working class control.

Equality
- An end to discrimination on the grounds of race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, disability and to all forms of prejudice.

- For the right to asylum and the scrapping of racist anti-asylum and immigration laws. For the right to work, with full protection, for immigrant workers.

Local Taxation
- Scrap the bin charges - no to double taxation in any form. Local authorities to receive proper funding from central government funds.

Waste management
- For major investment into a publicly owned recycling service to combat the waste crisis. No to waste incinerators.

International
- Oppose the big business dominated European Union. No to the militarisation of Europe and to a European Army.

- For solidarity of the European working class. For a socialist Europe.

- No to imperialist wars. End the occupation of Iraq. For a socialist Iraq.

Northern Ireland
- Build a real peace process based on uniting the working class communities, not on bringing discredited sectarian politicians together.

- Joint trade union and community action to counter all forms of sectarianism.

- An end to all activity by all paramilitaries, loyalist and republican. Complete demilitarisation.

Socialism
Capitalism is the cause of poverty, inequality, environmental destruction and war. We need an international struggle against this system and its effects. The working class can build a socialist world in which the resources of the planet are used to satisfy the needs of the mass of the people not the thirst for profit of a tiny minority of super rich.

- Take all major industry, banks and financial institutions into public ownership and place them under the democratic control and management of working class people.

- For the working class to democratically plan the economy to provide for the needs of all, and to protect our environment.

- For the building of a mass political party capable of uniting the working class in the struggle for socialism in Ireland.

- For a socialist Ireland as part of a free and voluntary socialist federation of England and Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

Socialist Party - Ireland
 


making waves

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My main query to Socialist Party members and other socialists, is how would the Socialist party's policies work in practice ?
Thanks for putting up your thread - for information purposes - the details you outline are currently in the process of being updated (given the current situation with the IMF) and this should completed shortly - in the meantime I would suggest looking at this -
The socialist alternative to IMF/EU diktats | Socialist Party
 

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i was in cork city today an the socialist party were campaigning on the street and their city councilor was marching solidarity with pensioners. no other politician of any hue was present. i was very impressed by the demo and the solidarity shown. there is more of this required in ireland.all people,workers,unemployed,youth and pensioners need to come out in solidarity and show this disgrace to democracy of a government and opposition that they are all useless.very angry with political system in ireland designed to keep smaller political ideals and philosophies at bay1
 

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Its important for socialists to tell the people why capitalisms is not working but at the same time they need to have answers how they will deal with actual social problems effecting people here and now. And here comes the problem its easy to be against something but how will the alternative look like? Will it be a democratic socialism and how are we getting there?
 

Catalpa

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I, like many other voters, have become disillusioned with the plutocracy of FF/FG and the mess it got us into.

Labour seem to be more of the same. Another moderately right of centre party, that pretends to be left wing.

SF - Slightly to the left, but I can’t quite come to terms with their republicanism and where all that mock patriotism has led us before.

I realise that the Socialist party are fairly far over in the left, and have little chance of being in power, but a few more socialist party TD's might just be the type of counterbalance the country needs for a few years to bring us back on an even keel.

My main query to Socialist Party members and other socialists, is how would the Socialist party's policies work in practice ?
The answer is

- they wouldn't :oops:
 
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1 A4 page of policies does not make an alternative.

Until the SP gets that no amount of talking about solidarity, fighting back, defending workers and so on will actually persuade the working class to vote and protest with you in large enough no. so as to allow you to do anything more than cause minor inconvenience.

Will the SP gain over the next few years. Yes probably it will recruit highly committed and capable members and then fritter away their energy and enthousiasm with no real gain.

How long must the SP exist before it figures out that its not actually gaining ground and should figure out instead what needs to be changed to achieve some real change.

Sadly they wont so there will be no alternative from the SP or at least no realisable deliverable alternative.
 

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The answer is

- they wouldn't :oops:
I think that a democratic and ecological socialism is the only alternative to this whole mess the planet is in. I don't know if it will work but if we won't try we will never know.
 
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They do - and have.
Liverpool? - where they ended up sending out letters of 90 days notice . while only a legal requirement it was used to puck the heads off of ye and the SP(MT) faded and got booted out of lalbour.

that was 25 years ago.
 
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The Socialist Party are a Marxist party i.e. a communist party.
thats fine thats their business. My problem with them is they somehow believe they dont need to actually have policies.

Just cause you are marxist does not mean you cant do politics right. Praising yourself, slamming everyone else while avoiding any real plans for how you will deliver change is not politics.

If you domt like socialism Darrne thats ur call but you can rest assured the SP will never delivcer socialism. Maybe others can but not them.

Will they even have a pre-budget submission ?
 

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Liverpool? - where they ended up sending out letters of 90 days notice . while only a legal requirement it was used to puck the heads off of ye and the SP(MT) faded and got booted out of lalbour.

that was 25 years ago.
The socialist council in Liverpool created thousands of jobs, built thousands of badly needed houses, schools, leisure facilites etc and did it all while running the council more efficiently than any other council in Britain.

And yes the 90 days notice as a simple legal requirement and it was a mistaken tactic. But it wasn't the reason the councillors were disbarred - that was because they were surcharged for not setting a rate (something which the socialist councillors argued should be done and LP councillors in other parts of England went against).

But that wasn't even the general point I was making - working class people have demonstrated time and time again - even in the present day - that they can take a chronic situation created by the capitalist class and change it around to provide for the needs of people.
 

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thats fine thats their business. My problem with them is they somehow believe they dont need to actually have policies.
The Socialist Party knows exactly what the country should be doing and how to do it. What do you want to know - ?

Will they even have a pre-budget submission ?
Pre-budget submissions are not worth the paper they are written on - no one reads them except for a few lazy journalists looking to some easy copy. They are an excuse for holding a press conference and nothing more.

Given the difficulty of getting any half decent press coverage for anything that doesn't say 'we have no choice' the Socialist Party has to be, by necessity, selective and instead promoted the establishment of the United Left Alliance to fight the election.
 

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If everyone is certain of employment why will we need a social welfare payment?
What are all these people going to be doing?
At 12 euros an hour they better be making gold plated Bently Mulsannes
How can we pay them in euro if we reject the capitalist europeans?
Does this system work with democracy including the right of parties who oppose the workers paradise to exist?
Do we have free elections and press?
Is forcing people to join trade unions if they wish not to discrimination?
Who;s going to pay for all this?
You have to address the practical issues if you want this to be taken seriously
 

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The Socialist Party knows exactly what the country should be doing and how to do it. What do you want to know - ?
Hi, where does the United Left Alliance stand in regard to electoral reform and Direct Democracy and will it be fielding candidates in every seat?
 

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Do you beleive ireland needs a massive public housing building campaign?
Hang on........is'nt that what got us here?
 


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