With capitalism there are two types of people who do not want to contribute to society - the capitalist class who are solely focussed on contributing to the own bottom line and those that have been completely alienated from society because of unemployment, povery, lack of education etc.The difficulty here is that you can give people "a responsibility to contribute to society" and many will step up to the mark. However a proportion, and we can argue how large or small this proportion may be, will want to contribute as little as possible of their skills/labour. How would a socialist system handle the working class people who do not want to contribute to your vision ?
By physically taking control of resources away from them.How in practical terms do the SP propose to do this,
By whatever means are necessaryand how do they propose to deal with the inevitable resistance of the capital class,
It is not a matter of how far the Socialist Party are willing to go - it is a question of how far working class people will go to preserve a new society. Socialism is not possible without the active support of the vast majority of society and this majority will be the key to maintaining that society. the working class is the most powerful source within society. When it acts as a class there is no force in society capable of confronting it and no force capable of resisting what it wants to achieve.and how far are the SP prepared to go ?
What would be alternative? Borrowing more 2 years ago and having the IMF coming in quicker?They have accepted the 15billion in cuts with 3% deficit by 2014 figure demanded by the ECB, IMF and Irish establishment.
They have indicated they support paycuts and job losses and they have fully backed subsidising the rich through not increasing corpo tax.
You can't get anymore bloody right-wing.
We have higher social spending than Sweden.It's a sentiment worth fighting for, I agree, but you have to admit even in sweden there will always be a minority of people who do not care for society; only for themselves. How can you deal with these people?
LOL! Yes in the Northern Ireland there is only North Northern Ireland and North North Northern Ireland.Nope - they mostly have a right-wing and a further right-wing and that is the case in the LP.
Irish people wont vote for ideology.Only a tiny minority of the electorate actually read political party manifesto's, they get the general sense of it from the media which is overwhelmingly of the capitalist outlook. Consequently, the SP can expect to remain a fringe party.
How would they be compensated for the loss of their property/assets ?By physically taking control of resources away from them.
Compensation would be provided for assets taken into public ownership on the basis of proven need.How would they be compensated for the loss of their property/assets ?
The assets needed to be taken into public ownership would not be determined by value but would be based on their necessity for the implementation of a democratic economic plan.What would be the cut off point before the social state takes their property/assets
There is a difference between being linked (proportionately) to average earnings - and being 'the same as'.If social welfare payments are linked to average earnings why work. If you dont work there will be no taxes being paid so where does the money come from to pay the social welfare.
Unfortunately there is an overtly racist tone to this comment - based pretty much on prevailing urban myths.As for the immigrants, if they come here to work i have no problem if they come here to scrounge of our welfare system well they can f off back to africa. But by what ive read it would be spot the whiteman under the SP. Would have considered them for a vote but after reading that load of ************************e never
Maybe that glorious government of yours should have developed an irish economy throughout the boom years instead of relying on foreign companies creating jobs. People who can't get jobs should get social welfare payments so that they can live in dignity.If social welfare payments are linked to average earnings why work. If you dont work there will be no taxes being paid so where does the money come from to pay the social welfare.
Surely no irish person ever scrounged on the british, american or australian welfare system.:roll:As for the immigrants, if they come here to work i have no problem if they come here to scrounge of our welfare system well they can f off back to africa.