The Starry Plough And The IRSP.

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No symbol is as closely associated with the IRSP and the Irish Republican Socialist Movement as the Starry Plough flag. The modern day Starry Plough flag has seven white, 5 pointed stars, in the shape of the Ursa Major constellation (also known as the Plough of the Heavens or The Great Bear) on a blue background. The Starry Plough flag has been intrinsically linked to Irish Republican Socialism for close to a century, since it's first use by James Connolly's small but famously courageous Irish Citizen Army (ICA), in April 1914. James Connolly's ICA were a worker's militia, created to protect Trades Union members and Connolly's Irish Socialist Republican Party.

The ICA carried the Starry Plough as they marched through Dublin on the first day of the 1916 Easter Rising. With no short measure of poetic justice, during the Easter Rising, the standard of Republican Socialism flew over commandeered premises belonging to William Martin Murphy. Murphy was the Dublin workers' number one class enemy, an infamous strike-breaker and chief Gombeen of the Dublin Lock-out of 1913-14!
The Starry Plough - The Flag Of Irish Republican Socialism
 


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This person makes a fair point in his blog as it was inappropriate of the Freestate Army to carry the Starry Plough at the 1916 commemoration.
The Plough flag represents the revolutionary element within Irish working class the Freestate Armys display of it was sheer hypocrisy.
 

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This person makes a fair point in his blog as it was inappropriate of the Freestate Army to carry the Starry Plough at the 1916 commemoration.
The Plough flag represents the revolutionary element within Irish working class the Freestate Armys display of it was sheer hypocrisy.
Sinn Fein, Workers Party et al, use this symbol. Weapons into plough-shares. Any new political entity can or may use it. Swords into ploughs, nice idea, whoever came up with it.
 

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Sinn Fein, Workers Party et al, use this symbol. Weapons into plough-shares. Any new political entity can or may use it. Swords into ploughs, nice idea, whoever came up with it.
I agree. The OP is not saying the flag belongs to the IRSP but it is the symbol the IRSP most identifys with.
 

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I love the starry plough, for what it might promise. I am a little confused about the OP. If you are a disaffected or angry this is a good flag. Don't we all own it?
 

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I love the starry plough, for what it might promise. I am a little confused about the OP. If you are a disaffected or angry this is a good flag. Don't we all own it?
Your post is more confusing, and by you posting it shows you have just read the short extract from the OP and not actually read the article itself.
No one is laying claim to the flag its a symbol of the Irish Working Class.
 

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Your post is more confusing, and by you posting it shows you have just read the short extract from the OP and not actually read the article itself.
No one is laying claim to the flag its a symbol of the Irish Working Class.
How does one know if one is a member of the Irish Working Class? I'm Irish and I work for my wages; do I qualify?
 

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How does one know if one is a member of the Irish Working Class? I'm Irish and I work for my wages; do I qualify?
The Irish Working Class is everyone who has to sell their labor to make a wage to live on Doctors,Teachers,Bricklayers and Shop Assistants.
If you dont own the means of production distribution and exchange then you are a worker and a member of the Irish working class.
 

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The Irish Working Class is everyone who has to sell their labour to make a wage to live on Doctors, Teachers, Bricklayers, and Shop Assistants.
If you don't own the means of production, distribution and (or?) exchange then you are a worker and a member of the Irish working class.
Excellent. So I qualify and yet I do not identify with this flag nor with others of my class, qua common membership of a certain group of humans. I'm a little more cosmopolitan myself, believing in a concern for all mankind, regardless of race, nationality, or membership of a social class or any other nonsensical division. I find such divisions to be trivial.
 

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The Irish Working Class is everyone who has to sell their labor to make a wage to live on Doctors,Teachers,Bricklayers and Shop Assistants.
If you dont own the means of production distribution and exchange then you are a worker and a member of the Irish working class.
Says who? Does that circumvent self determination theory? How do know that deep down a lot of the people that are clinical segregated by class structure resent middle class liberal hypocrisy dictating to them what they are and what their future should be.

I fecking well do.
 

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Your post is more confusing, and by you posting it shows you have just read the short extract from the OP and not actually read the article itself.
No one is laying claim to the flag its a symbol of the Irish Working Class.
Did read the full article. The symbolism of the Flag, as I understand it is, when the victory is won...we no longer need weapons. We recycle! If I were brave I would like the plough on my coffin. Who do I fight to gain this right?
 

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Excellent. So I qualify and yet I do not identify with this flag nor with others of my class, qua common membership of a certain group of humans. I'm a little more cosmopolitan myself, believing in a concern for all mankind, regardless of race, nationality, or membership of a social class or any other nonsensical division. I find such divisions to be trivial.
Its funny that you say that things such as race nationality and class are divisive while I agree with the first two the one thing that 99% of the population of the entire planet has in common is the class issue.
All but the elite few have to go to work each day to make a living we are all working class irrelevant of nationality religion or race what the Starry Plough flag represents is a fairer system of government that lets us control the nations means of production distribution exchange and natural resources for the upkeep of the whole society we live in not just the financial betterment ruling class few.
 

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Miriam Daly said:
Its funny that you say that things such as race nationality and class are divisive while I agree with the first two the one thing that 99% of the population of the entire planet has in common is the class issue.
All but the elite few have to go to work each day to make a living we are all working class irrelevant of nationality religion or race what the Starry Plough flag represents is a fairer system of government that lets us control the nations means of production distribution exchange and natural resources for the upkeep of the whole society we live in not just the financial betterment ruling class few.
To what end or purpose?
 

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Says who? Does that circumvent self determination theory? How do know that deep down a lot of the people that are clinical segregated by class structure resent middle class liberal hypocrisy dictating to them what they are and what their future should be.

I fecking well do.
The middle class dose not exist it is a terminology created by the media.
If you work for a weekly/monthly wage your a worker.
Its irrelevant what type of class you like to think your in if you work for a wage your working class.
 

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To what end or purpose?
Oh Cato! Why not just post with your signature in English? I have no latin.
Carthage must be destroyed! There, I have just put your point. Thank me later. The Starry Plough, it's symbolism interestes me. Might be a good thread.
 

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Oh Cato! Why not just post with your signature in English? I have no latin.
Carthage must be destroyed! There, I have just put your point. Thank me later. The Starry Plough, it's symbolism interestes me. Might be a good thread.
Let justice be done, even though the Earth should perish.
 

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I've got a feeling that is a latin translation. Am I right?
 

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Your post is more confusing, and by you posting it shows you have just read the short extract from the OP and not actually read the article itself.
No one is laying claim to the flag its a symbol of the Irish Working Class.
I don't remember the UDA ever flying the starry plough, so get it right, the starry plough is a symbol of one section of the Irish working class, those who wish to sever the link with our brothers and sisters in Great Britain.
 


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