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The surprising findings of the Magdalene Laundries report


H.R. Haldeman

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Initial reaction to Martin McAleese's inquiry seems to be that the report is not as damning as had been anticipated. Ursulla Halligan for TV3 and Nick Heigham for the BBC have both just made reports to that effect. The Indo:

NUNS who ran the Magdalene laundries were given a sympathetic hearing as the inquiry team noted their profound hurt over the years of public debate.

"Their position is that they responded in practical ways as best they could, in keeping with the charism of their congregations, to the fraught situations of the sometimes marginalised girls and women sent to them, by providing them with shelter, board and work," the report said.

It went on to find that a play, Eclipsed by Patricia Burke-Brogan, about life in a laundry, and the dramatic film, The Magdalene Sisters, were fictionalised accounts and not a narrative.

"What we thought of the Magdalene laundries, it may be that was not true," said a source close to the inquiry.

Overall the report found that people's perception of living conditions in the laundries tended to be worse than the reality.

It conceded that, while conditions were harsh at times, and cold and monastic, routine shaving of women's heads did not take place.

...ctd
Report: Nuns 'did their best' in the laundries - National News - Independent.ie

From the report itself:

Duration of stay (cumulative percentages)

Less than 3 months 35.6%
Less than 6 months 47.4%
Less than 1 year 61.0%
Less than 18 months 68.0%
Less than 2 years 73.2%
Less than 3 years 79.0%
Less than 5 years 85.6%
Less than 10 years 92.3%

Median duration of stay 27.6 weeks (approximately 7 months)
Report here (PDF Warning): http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Executive Summary.pdf/Files/Executive Summary.pdf

Whether this early consensus sticks in the coming days, we'll see. And I have not yet heard a comprehensive commentary on State culpability. We know the numbers (26% sent to laundries by the State), but not the full significance in legal terms yet.

It's also noteworthy that the person in charge, Martin McAleese, seems to be so well regarded that there is no question about the integrity of the report. He deserves a lot of credit.
 

Johnny Zordan

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There are teen homes alot worse than the magdalene homes up and running in america TODAY.
 

LamportsEdge

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How does that let the Magdalene Gulag system off the hook?
 

Goa Tse

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It doesnt - it fuels the RCC apologists who can now use this to claim "sure it wasn't that bad ye know, de nuns were only followin' orders". Expect the usual defensive tactics from John Waters, David Quinn and a fair few posters on this site.
 
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Initial reaction to Martin McAleese's inquiry seems to be that the report is not as damning as had been anticipated. Ursulla Halligan for TV3 and Nick Heigham for the BBC have both just made reports to that effect. The Indo:


Report: Nuns 'did their best' in the laundries - National News - Independent.ie

From the report itself:



Report here (PDF Warning): http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Executive Summary.pdf/Files/Executive Summary.pdf

Whether this early consensus sticks in the coming days, we'll see. And I have not yet heard a comprehensive commentary on State culpability. We know the numbers (26% sent to laundries by the State), but not the full significance in legal terms yet.

It's also noteworthy that the person in charge, Martin McAleese, seems to be so well regarded that there is no question about the integrity of the report. He deserves a lot of credit.
Yes, but wait till rte and the it come out to play. The anti catholic bias in their reporting will be unbelievable.
 

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Was it another white wash by inner circle, for the people that rule Ireland.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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The Taoiseach's performance in the Dail seemed pretty limp. I feel very sorry for these poor women.
 

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Initial reaction to Martin McAleese's inquiry seems to be that the report is not as damning as had been anticipated. Ursulla Halligan for TV3 and Nick Heigham for the BBC have both just made reports to that effect. The Indo:


Report: Nuns 'did their best' in the laundries - National News - Independent.ie

From the report itself:



Report here (PDF Warning): http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Executive Summary.pdf/Files/Executive Summary.pdf

Whether this early consensus sticks in the coming days, we'll see. And I have not yet heard a comprehensive commentary on State culpability. We know the numbers (26% sent to laundries by the State), but not the full significance in legal terms yet.

It's also noteworthy that the person in charge, Martin McAleese, seems to be so well regarded that there is no question about the integrity of the report. He deserves a lot of credit.
"It's also noteworthy that the person in charge, Martin McAleese, seems to be so well regarded that there is no question about the integrity of the report. He deserves a lot of credit."

Can this be taken as read?

Didn't Mary McAleese owe her rapid rise entirely to being the hierarchy's favourite woman?

Wasn't that what inspired the choosing of her as the anti-Robinson?

Do we really know anything of this man's views at all?
 

LamportsEdge

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Just look at the comments on the 'terms of reference' - same old Irish circus- try and set up something that looks like an inquiry but make sure it is nobbled before it starts.

Choreography from the Island of Political Apes and throwbacks. The Irish establishment don't fool anyone anymore with their orienteering around unpleasant truths.

Where we aren't a joke we are known for being backward. And a large slice of that is attributable to system that allows inadequates schooled only in blatant lying and 'creating suitable narratives' to reach public and high office. It is indeed a small island.
 

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The facts are beginning to emerge more clearly. I doubt the McAleese report is the last word but its certainly better than anecdote and outrage.
 

Ryan Tubbs

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Martin McAleese and his wife are very devout Catholics. Enough said.
Mary McAleese is, by any objective standards, an extremely liberal Catholic. Her recent book supports views which even the liberal Association of Catholic Priests and Fr. Tony Flannery would blush at.

Painting them as a pair of Bendict-style hardliners is simply not accurate.
 

H.R. Haldeman

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"It's also noteworthy that the person in charge, Martin McAleese, seems to be so well regarded that there is no question about the integrity of the report. He deserves a lot of credit."

Can this be taken as read?
Does not Mary McAleese owe her current position entirely to being the hierarchy's favourite woman.

Wasn't that what inspired the choosing of her as the anti-Robinson?

Do we know anything of this man's views at all?

It was a report that solely made findings of fact.

For the report not to be credible, we have to believe either that MM found evidence and didn't publish it, or, that there were avenues of enquiry that he didn't take - either through incompetence or prejudice - thus leaving key facts unreported.

I don't find either of those propositions credible.
 

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Mary McAleese is, by any objective standards, an extremely liberal Catholic. Her recent book supports views which even the liberal Association of Catholic Priests would blush at.

Painting them as a pair of Bendict-style hardliners is simply not accurate.
Doesn't stop her rubbing shoulders with Bertie Ahern as a papal dame in the same order as him.
 

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It was a report that solely made findings of fact.

For the report not to be credible, we have to believe either that MM found evidence and didn't publish it, or, that there were avenues of enquiry that he didn't take - either through incompetence or prejudice - thus leaving key facts unreported.

I don't find either of those propositions credible.
Why was a Dentist appointed to carry out this report.
 

LamportsEdge

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It was a report that solely made findings of fact.

For the report not to be credible, we have to believe either that MM found evidence and didn't publish it, or, that there were avenues of enquiry that he didn't take - either through incompetence or prejudice - thus leaving key facts unreported.

I don't find either of those propositions credible.
Well obviously the four religious orders concerned were quite confident in handing over records they refused otherwise to make available to the state.

I'd call that ground for suspicion for a start.
 

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Mary McAleese is, by any objective standards, an extremely liberal Catholic. Her recent book supports views which even the liberal Association of Catholic Priests and Fr. Tony Flannery would blush at.

Painting them as a pair of Bendict-style hardliners is simply not accurate.
The enquiry should not have been conducted by a Catholic at all, or indeed by any Irish person.

McAleese seems to have accepted the motivations of the nuns,as you would expect from a devout ,even liberal (whatever that means) Catholic. Non-Catholics would allow themselves the freedom to question the nuns' self-serving justifications. Even a casual acquanitance with Freud would lead a normal person to realise that these were acts of hatred , not of love.
 
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