The Tories and the 'Rape Clause'

Gin Soaked

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OK, we normally agree on nothing, but, for the love of God, what echo chamber was that brain fart conceived in?

I totally get capping housing benefit, and I strongly believe that you can't just breed like a rabbit and hand the state a demand for an ever bigger gaff, but, Jesus, there are ways of doing this and just not going there with this cráp.

", oh, you are claiming for 3 kids, you must have been raped...."

wow, just wow....
 


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Forcing a woman to not use contraception and control of her movements that also stops her getting a contraceptive implant or an abortion is also common behaviour by men abusing their female partners. Consent to sex can become a meaningless concept in this situation. There is no free choice. There often isn't anywhere safe to go to. Your survival can depend on staying with him. Can't assume that a large family is a choice or be punishing the mother and kids for this.
 

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The Tory government have recently implemented changes to Child Tax Credits and the ‘Universal Credit’ benefit system which mean that people making a new claim after 6 April 2017 will have the number of children they can claim for capped at two. One exception to this is if the third child was born as a result of what the government calls “non-consensual conception.”

This clause has now been dubbed the 'Rape Clause' requires the claimant not only to name the child the exception will apply to, but also have a “third-party professional” fill out part of a mandatory 8-page claim form that the victim of rape has to complete.

If anyone has seen I, Daniel Blake, they will get a sense of what is going on here.

But there is more - there is an exception to the right to make a claim on behalf of a name child of rape - the exemption will not apply to claimants who still live with their rapist. This is despite the fact that 45% of all rapes in Britain occur within existing relationships and the reality that a woman is murdered every three days by their abuse partner.

Rather than support women attempting to leave abusive relationships the Tories have capped Housing Benefit which is destined to force the closure of more than two-thirds of the existing and inadequate women's refuges.

This is the Tory party of Theresa May that is seeking re-election on the claim of being 'in the national interest' - unless you are a rape victim of course.
I don't understand, how is it NOT "in the interests of rape victims" and indeed "the national interest", for them to be able to claim child-benefit for a child conceived as a result of their rape?
 

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I will not be responding to you in future - the issue of rape and the treatment of rape victims by the Tories is far too serious an issue to allow you to sidetracked it into this nonsense.
You mean allowing rape-victims to claim child benefit for a child conceived in rape if they are already claiming for two existing children? Is that a bad thing then?
 

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Umm, nope. How pray are the victims to establish they are raped, other than by obtaining a conviction against the offender? Or simply make a declaration to the effect?

For political innocents, I will remind you of the last fiasco the Tories introduced along the same lines, lo these 20 years ago, the Child Support Agency. Originally, a woman could not claim support unless she named the father of her child, the idea being it would be garnished from his wages or benefits.

It fell apart when a young lady said "I have no idea - it happened at a party."

"Well you must have some notion who you were canoodling with."

"Nope, I was being sick out a window and he came up behind me."

Coomonsense was never a Tory strong point. petunia.
The common-sense viewpoint here is to acknowledge that if they can get away with it, people will tell lies in order to get tax-payers money, or Benefits if you prefer, that they are not entitled to, and that the Government has a duty to the tax-payer to ensure as far as possible that this does not happen.

You asked how the victims are to estaablish that they were raped, "other than by obtaining a conviction against the offender". Well I would have thought that having reported it to the Police would be a good start? The existence of a Crime Report and a Police investigation, successfully or not, would have some traction in any application for Child benefit I would imagine?

On the other hand, if you had sex at some point which didn't distress you sufficiently at the time to make you report it as rape, and nine months later, third child in your arms, you suddenly learn that you're not entitled to any Child benefit for it, that's your problem.

Contraception and abortion are readily available in the UK, there's really no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy these days other than rape.
 
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And the woman has to name the child born as a result of rape - victimising not only the woman but the child as well.
Why? Should we just take her word for it then? Should we just make is as easy as possible to commit Benefit Fraud? Should we actively encourage it through a lack of thought and rigour in the system?
 

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The Parliament of the UK will probably be able to determine the laws of the UK without advice from Eire Socialists.
 

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Funkybugaloo seems to have forgotten his role in your orchestrated smear campaign directed against me on this site. Could you be so kind as to pass this quote that s/he deleted on?

My family will be in touch with you, through a third party. You filthy degenerate Trot scum.
It appears English - plain and simple English - is not your forte.

Oh well.

Also the quote still stands, in black and white, for all to see. I haven't deleted it. You just keep quoting it out of context all over the board that you probably can't find the original one.

I'll leave you and making waves to your little spat since it's all you have.
 

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I will not be responding to you in future - the issue of rape and the treatment of rape victims by the Tories is far too serious an issue to allow you to sidetracked it into this nonsense.
And what relevance does this have on an Irish political website? (Oh yea I forgot that most of the SP in Ireland are culturally West Brits).
 


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