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The UK Labour Party as a Friend to Ireland


Zach Dingle

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What do you reckon on this historically?
Traditionally., The Irish in The UK were virtually to a man and woman, Labour Party Voters.
And Jeremy certainly reckons, he is a friend of ours.
But then you had Little Roy Mason, back in the day.
 

michael-mcivor

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Labour was no friends of Scotland when they wanted independence- they will fight tooth and nail to stop the six leaving their precious brit-land- but leave we will-
 

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Neither party has ever been a "friend" to NI, although at different times Labour and Tories have taken steps which were positive in terms of conflict-reduction and moving towards a peaceful solution.

On other occasions, their policies or generalised neglect exacerbated the situation.

Immigrant Irish membership of the British Labour party in earlier times was due to the fact that they were part of the UK demographic which Labour policies benefited.
 

firefly123

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Labour was no friends of Scotland when they wanted independence- they will fight tooth and nail to stop the six leaving their precious brit-land- but leave we will-
Not so much. Considering all the MPswho come out of the north are conservative bedfellows and labour don't have a base in the north unlike Scotland I don't see the same urgency.
 

michael-mcivor

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Not so much. Considering all the MPswho come out of the north are conservative bedfellows and labour don't have a base in the north unlike Scotland I don't see the same urgency.
Wouldn’t call the magnificent 7 Sinn Fein MPs conservative but I know what your on about if your on about those that take the oath to take their seat- I wonder if the DUP would swear allegiance to a Catholic monarch to take their Westminster seats- it’s a question Fianna Fáil RTE Fine Gael never ask -
 

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Wouldn’t call the magnificent 7 Sinn Fein MPs conservative but I know what your on about if your on about those that take the oath to take their seat- I wonder if the DUP would swear allegiance to a Catholic monarch to take their Westminster seats- it’s a question Fianna Fáil RTE Fine Gael never ask -
It would be a facer for them, but because for a Catholic Monarch to assume the throne, the entire basis of the British Constitutional Crown in Parliament would have been upended, and a revolution would already have taken place, legally, if not in terms of blood on the streets.

The settlement which underpins the entire British State is the Crown in Parliament ie the Monarch's Will is the Will of Parliament and the Monarch must be a Protestant.
 

Born Again Scouser

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Let's not forget that it was a Labour government that sent in troops in 1969 to shore up the civil power. And a Labour government that introduced the Prevention of Terrorism Act. And a Labour government that caved in to Loyalist pressure over the Sunningdale agreement (which had been negotiated by a Conservative government). And a Conservative government dissolved Stormont in 1972. And John Major who negotiated the cease-fire in 1994. Even Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish agreement in 1985. What is arguably more interesting is why Irish people in Britain remained Labour voters for so long.
 

rainmaker

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What do you reckon on this historically?
Traditionally., The Irish in The UK were virtually to a man and woman, Labour Party Voters.
And Jeremy certainly reckons, he is a friend of ours.
But then you had Little Roy Mason, back in the day.
Largely, but certainly not exclusively, I have known more than a few Irish people who have been staunch Tory voters.

At the end of the day, any British political party will put British interests first.
 

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The settlement which underpins the entire British State is the Crown in Parliament ie the Monarch's Will is the Will of Parliament and the Monarch must be a Protestant.
The main reason for this is the Monarch is also head of the Church of England, and therefore has to be of that denomination - having a Catholic as head of the CofE would be akin to having the Archbishop of Canterbury elected Pope.
 

Pyewacket

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The main reason for this is the Monarch is also head of the Church of England, and therefore has to be of that denomination - having a Catholic as head of the CofE would be akin to having the Archbishop of Canterbury elected Pope.
I am aware of the historical compromise after the Restoration, but the point is that it is one which was relevant then, not now. Disestablishment of the Church of England would solve it in one stroke.
 

Zach Dingle

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I wonder how much has the previously'in the bag' Irish Vote for Labour changed in England and Scotland in recent times, Glasgow had a majority leave during the Independence Referendum.
Also a very large numbers of English Catholics would be Tory Voters.
 

Zach Dingle

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The Irish Labour Party has had traditionally close links with The UK Labour Party to such an extent that Irish Labour Party members have canvassed on UK doorsteps during elections.
Of course now that The Labour Party in The UK actually have a genuine socialist in charge, that has changed.
 

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I wonder how much has the previously'in the bag' Irish Vote for Labour changed in England and Scotland in recent times, Glasgow had a majority leave during the Independence Referendum.
Also a very large numbers of English Catholics would be Tory Voters.
I don't believe there is any significant 'Catholic vote' or an 'Irish vote' in the UK as there is in the U.S. But then religion is often still a very important influence in U.S. politics.

Perhaps there may be traces of one in Scotland, but I very much doubt it is a significant cohesive demographic there either.
 

Lord Talbot

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Labour was no friends of Scotland when they wanted independence- they will fight tooth and nail to stop the six leaving their precious brit-land- but leave we will-
Nonsense. Labour needs Scotland to get into power. They don't need NI at all. The only vocal NI-unionists in GB are Tories.
 

Lord Talbot

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I don't believe there is any significant 'Catholic vote' or an 'Irish vote' in the UK as there is in the U.S. But then religion is often still a very important influence in U.S. politics.

Perhaps there may be traces of one in Scotland, but I very much doubt it is a significant cohesive demographic there either.
No. Religion is only important in backward countries like Ireland that haven't quite made it through the renaissance yet.
 

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There needs to be a differentiation drawn between the Labour Party membership which has generally been fair minded and the actions of Labour PMs and ministers whose actions have generally been shameful. Don't forget what Mo Mowlam did to the folk of Garvaghy road when she sent in the storm Troopers and she is regarded as one of the better ones.
 

General Urko

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Nonsense. Labour needs Scotland to get into power. They don't need NI at all. The only vocal NI-unionists in GB are Tories.
Kate Hoey?
 
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