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The Ukranian Holodomor 1932-3


Seanie Lemass

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It is now generally recognised that the Ukranian famine of 1932/3 was an artificial famine created as part of Stalin's war on the Russian peasantry and Ukraine in general. Estimates of deaths range up to 7 million although Synder in 'Bloodlands' beleives that 3.5 million died.

The famine was initiated when the Bolsheviks attempted to force peasants into collective farms and to requisition food. That didn't work so Stalin, directly through Kaganovich who was put in charge, tricked them by allowing a return to private farming but then sending in the NKVD and party to seize all the food they could get their hands on. They were billeted with the peasants and apart from stealing their food were also prone to gang-rape.

Cannibalism was also common. There are descriptions of families eating their children and in an orphanage, of children slicing flesh off a little girl who herself was eating some of it. Perhaps we are just as well not knowing all the details of what happened in our Holodomor.
 

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It is now generally recognised that the Ukranian famine of 1932/3 was an artificial famine created as part of Stalin's war on the Russian peasantry and Ukraine in general. Estimates of deaths range up to 7 million although Synder in 'Bloodlands' beleives that 3.5 million died.

The famine was initiated when the Bolsheviks attempted to force peasants into collective farms and to requisition food. That didn't work so Stalin, directly through Kaganovich who was put in charge, tricked them by allowing a return to private farming but then sending in the NKVD and party to seize all the food they could get their hands on. They were billeted with the peasants and apart from stealing their food were also prone to gang-rape.

Cannibalism was also common. There are descriptions of families eating their children and in an orphanage, of children slicing flesh off a little girl who herself was eating some of it. Perhaps we are just as well not knowing all the details of what happened in our Holodomor.
The Holodomor is an inconvenient truth for the left so it is airbrushed from history in the West.
 

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It is not recognised as a deliberate famine. It’s a bit like ours – the Brits didn’t do it on purpose but they did very little to relieve it.
 

Seanie Lemass

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It is not recognised as a deliberate famine. It’s a bit like ours – the Brits didn’t do it on purpose but they did very little to relieve it.

Lemkin who drafted the UN Convention on genocide described the Ukranian famine as 'a classic case of genoicde'. Similar to our own, food that was in the country was taken out, but a much vaster scale of violence in the Ukraine. And while our famine was initally caused by crop failure - exacerbated by failure to make the existing food available - the Ukranian famine was directly caused by food requisitioning.

One of the most shameful aspects of it was the claims by western visitors to the Soviet Union that there was no famine. Jim Prendergast of the Communist Party of Ireland was in Moscow at the time and wrote an article claiming that he had visited the Ukraine and not seen any starvation. George Bernard Shaw was in the USSR in 1934 and also claimed that there had been no famine.
 
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devoutcapitalist

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I'm sure Eamon Gilmore and the other Workers Party crowd would have been apologists for aspects of Stalins rule in the 80's.

They would have disapproved of the mass killing but they liked the economic ideology of communism so they would have been making excuses for Stalin.
 

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Ukraine had a rough time back then. Up to one fifth of its population was killed in the Holodomor and shortly after something like one sixth of its population was killed in the war.
 

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Now there is an event in History that never gets much attention from the average revisionsist Marxist living off the working people in a lazy History department of a taxpayer propped up Western university.
 

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Lemkin who drafted the UN Convention on genocide described the Ukranian famine as 'a classic case of genoicde'. Similar to our own, food that was in the country was taken out, but a much vaster scale of violence in the Ukraine. And while our famine was initally caused by crop failure - exacerbated by failure to make the existing food available - the Ukranian famine was directly caused by food requisitioning.

One of the most shameful aspects of it was the claims by western visitors to the Soviet Union that there was no famine. Jim Prendergast of the Communist Party of Ireland was in Moscow at the time and wrote an article claiming that he had visited the Ukraine and not seen any starvation. George Bernard Shaw was in the USSR in 1934 and also claimed that there had been no famine.

This visit is of course satirised in Animal Farm
 

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Wouldn't it be an interesting exercise for a trained historian to compare and contrast the Irish famine and the holodomor?

From waht I can gather, a much larger percentage of the Irish population died in the great famine than Ukrainians died in their Holodomor

Tim Pat Coogan, in his book, puts the figure as high as 1.8 million.
 

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Shaw was an awful eijit. He was also infatuated with Hitler. He was an advocate of eugenics so he most likely approved of liquidating peasants and intellectually disabled children.
 

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Solshenitsyn in Gulag Archipelago, said the Riussian serfs never used to suffer from famine.
 

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My wife has a keen interest in the Holodomor (she learned about it from her Ukrainian friends) and is writing a book based on it. Whenever she reads about it she invariably has tears in her eyes. It's an appallingly neglected horror in relatively recent history.


That would be interesting. I have a friend whose grandmother lived through it before escaping to Canada. Synder describes it as the beginning of unspeakable horrors that were to be unleashed in the western USSR, Poland and the Baltics until 1945. In fact the horrors lasted some years after that as Appelbaum, Douglas and others have described.
 

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Solshenitsyn in Gulag Archipelago, said the Riussian serfs never used to suffer from famine.
There was a famine in the early 1600s during one of the coldest winters in history, exacerbated by the 'Times of Trouble' fueding. But in general food was never a problem in Russia until the advent of 'scientific socialism'!
 

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The Holodomor is an inconvenient truth for the left so it is airbrushed from history in the West.
Funny how I studied it and the rest of those murdered in Stalins purges when we were doing LC History in 1991...
 

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Funny how I studied it and the rest of those murdered in Stalins purges when we were doing LC History in 1991...

Your wasting your time clanretard the fraudster has a world view and nothing will shake it be they truths or facts.
 

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