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The UN Global pact for migration


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With barely a comment in Irish political circles, the UN is set to pass what they're calling a global "Pact for migration". And Ireland will ratify it. The throat-clearing at the start of the text is long on talk of national sovereignty, the need for global cooperation but then goes on conflate asylum seekers with economic migrants and call on "countries" (unmentioned is that the countries they're really talking about aren't China or Korea or Japan but Europe and "The West") essentially is setting forth on a path that will push the right to live where you want a Human Right.

In some respects, it mirrors the calls of "#SafePassage" which met the tsunami of migrants crossing into Europe which can be translated as "Stop forcing people to break the law to come to Europe" or to put it another way: "Open the borders".

Yes, it is a non-binding pact which, in Europe at least makes very little difference to how they influence matters. The UN Declaration of Human Rights is non-binding. Once added to the canon of the UN it will become binding in all but name.

The USA, Austria, Poland, Australia, The Czech Republic and now Bulgaria have balked at its wording and are saying they won't sign it. The conservative wing of the CDU also have raised very strong objections to it. Here's a few snippets on their reasoning:

“And we’re not going to surrender our sovereignty. I’m not going to allow unelected bodies to dictate to us, to the Australian people ...We’re happy to negotiate in good faith but we’ve been very clear we’re not going to sign any document that’s not in our national interest and it’s not in our national interest to sign our border protection policy over to the UN
- Peter Dutton (AU FM)


“There are some points that we view critically and where we fear a danger to our national sovereignty, migration is not and cannot become a human right. It cannot be that someone receives a right to migration because of the climate or poverty.”
- Sebastian Kurz - AT PM


"This pact poses a threat to the world from the aspect that it could inspire millions [of migrants]. It's extreme, biased and facilitates migration. Its main premise is that migration is a good and inevitable phenomenon. We consider migration a bad process, which has extremely serious security implications."
- HU FM


Our sovereign principles on securing our borders and controlling migration flows are absolutely the priority for us
- Mateusz Morawiecki PL PM

Was it discussed in Ireland less than it should have been?
 


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Was it discussed in Ireland less than it should have been?
Was it discussed at all?
Here is the document.
I see it is due to be signed at the end of December, when the old Christmas spirit is calculated to be at its highest. Any country not signing will be likened to a grumpy old Scrooge.
Its long, and boring, and vague. But mainly its the thin end of the wedge. A set of moving goalposts.

Some passages do jump out though...
Refugees and migrants are entitled to the same universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, which must be respected, protected and fulfilled at all times. However, migrants and refugees are distinct groups governed by separate legal frameworks. Only refugees are entitled to the specific international protection as defined by international refugee law. This Global Compact refers to migrants and presents a cooperative framework addressing migration in all its dimensions
So, having established that we are not talking about genuine refugees, it goes on to list all the rights and benefits that illegal immigrants would have.
We acknowledge our shared responsibilities to one another as Member States of the United Nations to address each other’s needs and concerns over migration, and an overarching obligation to respect, protect and fulfil the human rights of all migrants, regardless of their migration status...
I searched the document for the word "deport" and it does not appear anywhere. It's all about migrants rights and nothing about responsibilities, for example the responsibility to go quietly home on a free plane ticket when the game is finally up and the asylum claim is deemed to be bogus.
 

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Was it discussed at all?
Here is the document.
I see it is due to be signed at the end of December, when the old Christmas spirit is calculated to be at its highest. Any country not signing will be likened to a grumpy old Scrooge.
Its long, and boring, and vague. But mainly its the thin end of the wedge. A set of moving goalposts.
I should have added a link to the document; thank you. Watch now (mark my word) as migrant lobby groups deploy the new provisions contained in the pact to argue for the dismantling of direct provision, full work rights and more visas for people who have no skills.

This thing is right out of so-called Party of Davos. Literally no country in Europe wants more migrants, and the astonishing thing is that despite that, here in the home of democracy, the elites are dragging the people in the opposite direction.
 

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The fact that Ireland is going to ratify it without any major discussion shows you how lost we are at the moment. Good to see the likes of Hungary, Austria and the US opposing it.

Migration cannot become a human right. No one has the right to live in someone else's country.
 

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The fact that Ireland is going to ratify it without any major discussion shows you how lost we are at the moment. Good to see the likes of Hungary, Austria and the US opposing it.

Migration cannot become a human right. No one has the right to live in someone else's country.

WTF is a country anyway? Is Cornwall a country? Is N Ireland a country? What do you want? All my cousins in charge
 

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WTF is a country anyway? Is Cornwall a country? Is N Ireland a country? What do you want? All my cousins in charge
It's usually somewhere with an international dialing code unique to it. Cornwall shares +44 with Lisburn, Lincoln and Loch Lomand. So that's not a country. Do you need any further assistance or is it starting to make sense now?
 

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It's usually somewhere with an international dialing code unique to it. Cornwall shares +44 with Lisburn, Lincoln and Loch Lomand. So that's not a country. Do you need any further assistance or is it starting to make sense now?
You have been on here for years and your main theme is white all right, brown stick around, black get back get back

You go for it baby. Sure it will justify the IT thing we all get to hear your views. :wink:
 

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You have been on here for years and your main theme is white all right, brown stick around, black get back get back

You go for it baby. Sure it will justify the IT thing we all get to hear your views. :wink:

My main thing is borders and Islamic extremism. Which combined form the greatest threat to the long term stability of where I call home. I was as right about this 10 years ago as I am today, as is evidenced by what is happening across Europe. Old farts and those without a stake in the future tend to care less. We're all driven by selfishness of one form or another. I don't give a toss about the colour of someone's skin. Culture is everything; not ethnicity.
 

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It wasn't long before the standard "you are a racist" trope crept into the discussion.
Take the USA, the white Irish "undocumented" are in exactly the same boat as the hispanic Mexicans.
Its not about race, its about a globalist agenda being pushed within the UN which would wedge open the back door of sovereign countries. Trying to create some kind of global legal framework which would end up usurping the legitimate immigration policies and controls that each country already has, at the moment.

The UN likes to think of itself as a moral authority that transcends individual countries. But in reality, what good does it do? Did it stop the war in Syria? Rwanda? Yugoslavia? Yemen?
No, it just looks on, and then sends a few bags of rice to the survivors afterwards. A talking shop for virtue signallers, filled with well heeled Mary Robinson types.
 

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Was it discussed at all?
Here is the document.
I'm very excited about this bit
We commit to eliminate all forms of discrimination, condemn and counter expressions, acts and manifestations of racism, racial discrimination, violence, xenophobia and related intolerance
against all migrants in conformity with international human rights law.
Looks like my ambition to move to Mecca, and open an Irish pub offering not only our well-known global beverage brands, but hearty all-day Full Irish Breakfasts, is coming true.
 

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Some of the listed countries have not yet definitively rejected, but it is most likely that they do not sign. Others only want to sign when changes are made, which is unlikely: Sweden and the Netherlands.

Note that such important migration-related countries as the US, Israel, China and Canada are involved ... It is not unlikely that more will follow until the December signing date.



Bulgaria

Poland
Hungary
Czech Republic
Sweden (rework)
Netherlands (rectification)
Greece
Croatia
Denmark
Italy
Norway
Slovenia
Israel
Australia
United States
China
Japan
Korea
Canada

https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/12/...migration-pact

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhaolam.de%2Fartikel_35643.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0tCflAIlEs5KRWyOLXUiybdQ62nq3iM8t0cknkVql2H5HH1jjayj6OCxg&edit-text=
 

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Some of the listed countries have not yet definitively rejected, but it is most likely that they do not sign. Others only want to sign when changes are made, which is unlikely: Sweden and the Netherlands.

Note that such important migration-related countries as the US, Israel, China and Canada are involved ... It is not unlikely that more will follow until the December signing date.



Bulgaria

Poland
Hungary
Czech Republic
Sweden (rework)
Netherlands (rectification)
Greece
Croatia
Denmark
Italy
Norway
Slovenia
Israel
Australia
United States
China
Japan
Korea
Canada

https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/12/...migration-pact

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https://haolam.de/artikel_35643.html?fbclid=IwAR0tCflAIlEs5KRWyOLXUiybdQ62nq3iM8t0cknkVql2H5HH1jjayj6OCxg&edit-text=
NGOs attract left-of-centre types. And none more so than those dealing with topics the left love. And of those, none more so than organizations lobbying for things the left knows will never get any serious level of democratic buy-in. The IOM (the International Organization for Migration) is a wobbling conglomeration of dyed-in-the-wool globalists and blue-haired activist types. As they drift towards a given political pole, the 'bubble' phenomenon strengthens. And what they produce is something which, seen internally, seems perfectly sensible but exposed to external light, appears as it really is; fatally biased.

The IOM wouldn't have released the draft in its current form if they knew so many countries would reject it. That will tell you a lot about the degree of impartiality within it.
 

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I'm very excited about this bitLooks like my ambition to move to Mecca, and open an Irish pub offering not only our well-known global beverage brands, but hearty all-day Full Irish Breakfasts, is coming true.
I'd say they would literally take your hand off, operating a place like that. And not in a good way.
Its important to remember that there is always a certain amount of "give and take" in globalist multi-culti agreements.
We give, and they take.
 

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It is very simple, the politicians have ZERO mandate for this mass immigration the only recent barometer of the peoples wishes in theses matters are the citizenship referendum where the people overwhelmingly rejected the notion that you can just turn up in Ireland and be considered an Irish citizen.

The establishment are currently usurping the democratic will of the Irish people through referendum, by deliberately presiding over an immigration system that does not function in any way shape or form by deporting a fraction of those who should be deported and using countless loop holes to delay and diminish the law.

The people are far from happy about this, Casey was simply a channel to vent that anger, Irish politicians are traitors to the country and the constitution.
 

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This so-called compact is the single most dangerous thing the UN have ever cooked up. It must not be ratified - if the general population understood what this will in effect mean for us and all future generations there would be torches and pitchforks in the streets. It means there will be no more difference between refugee and migrant. Any comer will have the legal right to be provisioned and financed without having ever made a contribution. Picture the kind of pull this will cause.
It ll make the camp of saints look like a picnic.

And the traitor MSM keep it hush hush until the tragedy really unfolds.
It is an assault on the European peoples in the most evil fashion. It is literally 1 minute to 12. Why arent the US signing this evil document? Who really benefits? Wake up people.
 

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The Dail is packed to the rafters with globalists and federalists and seriously devoid of any patriots or Irishmen and Women.

FG/FF/LAB/SF have all succumbed to the tit of Brussels.......and forgotten why they were elected.
 

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With barely a comment in Irish political circles, the UN is set to pass what they're calling a global "Pact for migration". And Ireland will ratify it. The throat-clearing at the start of the text is long on talk of national sovereignty, the need for global cooperation but then goes on conflate asylum seekers with economic migrants and call on "countries" (unmentioned is that the countries they're really talking about aren't China or Korea or Japan but Europe and "The West") essentially is setting forth on a path that will push the right to live where you want a Human Right.

In some respects, it mirrors the calls of "#SafePassage" which met the tsunami of migrants crossing into Europe which can be translated as "Stop forcing people to break the law to come to Europe" or to put it another way: "Open the borders".

Yes, it is a non-binding pact which, in Europe at least makes very little difference to how they influence matters. The UN Declaration of Human Rights is non-binding. Once added to the canon of the UN it will become binding in all but name.

The USA, Austria, Poland, Australia, The Czech Republic and now Bulgaria have balked at its wording and are saying they won't sign it. The conservative wing of the CDU also have raised very strong objections to it. Here's a few snippets on their reasoning:



- Peter Dutton (AU FM)




- Sebastian Kurz - AT PM




- HU FM




- Mateusz Morawiecki PL PM

Was it discussed in Ireland less than it should have been?

18 replies and tumbleweeds. Folks, they are signing our children's future away. Think there are service shortages and hospital queues now? None of us will have seen the like. Cloward-Piven set in motion. We must not sign this infernal document.
 

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18 replies and tumbleweeds. Folks, they are signing our children's future away. Think there are service shortages and hospital queues now? None of us will have seen the like. Cloward-Piven set in motion. We must not sign this infernal document.
Like \o/
What is Cloward Piven?
It has not merited any discussion in Ireland.
 

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