The upcoming conflict between Iran and America/Israel coalition.

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Iran is an Islamic Republic- with all that entails. Plenty of threads on here about Islam. It has a nuclear program also. Which has been closely monitored by the West. Last year a deal was done by President Obama to relax sanctions against Iran in return for surveillance of the Nuclear program. The Neo-cons are completely against this deal. With help from the Israelis they are trying to overturn the Obama deal. Iran is a long time target for the Neo cons. It is the only Middle East state that does'nt follow the US diktats and is not intimidated by Israel.
Is this reason enough to bomb Iran and try and turn it into another Iraq/Libya/Syria?
 


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Is this another Israel bashing thread ?
 

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Hopefully not another Israel bashing thread. I am not too proud of the way Christians behaved towards Jews in the past. And I support the present State of Israel- not the West Bank settlements state.
That said I think any action on Iran would be utter madness, especially given the recent attempts at regime change in Iraq, Libya and Syria!!
 

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Iran is an Islamic Republic- with all that entails. Plenty of threads on here about Islam. It has a nuclear program also. Which has been closely monitored by the West. Last year a deal was done by President Obama to relax sanctions against Iran in return for surveillance of the Nuclear program. The Neo-cons are completely against this deal. With help from the Israelis they are trying to overturn the Obama deal. Iran is a long time target for the Neo cons. It is the only Middle East state that does'nt follow the US diktats and is not intimidated by Israel.
Is this reason enough to bomb Iran and try and turn it into another Iraq/Libya/Syria?
Clinton will win in November because Trump is becoming increasingly unhinged as time goes by and the Neo Cons will be consigned to the sidelines again for another 4 years...
 

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Clinton will win in November because Trump is becoming increasingly unhinged as time goes by and the Neo Cons will be consigned to the sidelines again for another 4 years...
I hope you are right(have little time for her either by the way)
 

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Clinton will win in November because Trump is becoming increasingly unhinged as time goes by and the Neo Cons will be consigned to the sidelines again for another 4 years...

There's speculation Victoria Nuland will be Secretary of State in a Clinton administration. Do you know what that means?
 

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Iran is safe. Too big and too difficult to invade. The yanks should be love bombing it because it's the paranoia of the great Satan that keeps the mullahs in charge.
No great Satan. No need for the mullahs. No mad mullahs no need for such right wing Israeli governments.
Now the US doesn't need saudi arabia they should shift to Iran. The Persians are much saner folk to deal with and it would put the shíts up Russia. Let the Saudis implode in their own mess. Israel will come round.
 

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Iran is safe. Too big and too difficult to invade. The yanks should be love bombing it because it's the paranoia of the great Satan that keeps the mullahs in charge.
No great Satan. No need for the mullahs. No mad mullahs no need for such right wing Israeli governments.
Now the US doesn't need saudi arabia they should shift to Iran. The Persians are much saner folk to deal with and it would put the shíts up Russia. Let the Saudis implode in their own mess. Israel will come round.
I do wish the origin of oil products were labelled so I could avoid Saudi products.

Saudi Arabia is a massive sh!t stain on this earth.
 

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Back?

They never went away ...
No new wars though... or at least not full scale with boots on the ground kind of wars...

I suppose it's debatable as to whether this is a good thing or a bad thing... but I reckon history is going to be kind to Obama... especially if Neo Cons are let loose in the way Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bolton were to take us all God only knows where...
 

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Logical to fear for Iran. We had speculated that it would be Iran who would be next back in 2004-2005 - turns out they wanted to do Syria and Libya first.

Trump seems like a slightly unknown quantity but Hillary is deranged, she will start a major war if elected. She has already admitted that the Syrian conflict is for Israel. She represents the point where neoconservatism and neoliberalism meet and probably a psychopath, she doesn't even seem to know how to hide it.
 

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Clinton seems keen to please the Israelis. hopefully that does not include supporting them in an attack on Iran.
 

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Clinton will win in November because Trump is becoming increasingly unhinged as time goes by and the Neo Cons will be consigned to the sidelines again for another 4 years...
Clinton is bought and paid for.

Clinton means war with Iran.
 

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No new wars though... or at least not full scale with boots on the ground kind of wars...

I suppose it's debatable as to whether this is a good thing or a bad thing... but I reckon history is going to be kind to Obama... especially if Neo Cons are let loose in the way Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bolton were to take us all God only knows where...
Obama did as much as any US President could do - he stopped them going All In.

History will say he pulled the US back from the brink.

The irony is - one hundred years ago it was Conservatives of all stripes who turned their faces against foreign wars. The c19 phrase was Liberal Intervertionism, because it was Liberals who claimed there were universal human rights which should be imposed at the point of a gun, if necessary.

Now I know all these terms are meaningless nowadays, because people no longer understand what Conservatism, Liberalism and God forbid, Socialism, actually are.

So we are left with lawyers, guns and money.
 

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Obama did as much as any US President could do - he stopped them going All In.

History will say he pulled the US back from the brink.

The irony is - one hundred years ago it was Conservatives of all stripes who turned their faces against foreign wars. The c19 phrase was Liberal Intervertionism, because it was Liberals who claimed there were universal human rights which should be imposed at the point of a gun, if necessary.

Now I know all these terms are meaningless nowadays, because people no longer understand what Conservatism, Liberalism and God forbid, Socialism, actually are.

So we are left with lawyers, guns and money.
He destroyed Libya and Syria. He was also the worst civil liberties president in history for US people, during his term great Americans like Bradley Manning (now Chelsea) have been thrown into dungeons for trying to tell US people what their govt was getting up to.

He went at the problem of regime change covertly, to use Saudi to destabilise countries and invade them with terrorists. Bush went about it the other way, blowing them up - nothing subtle. Same end point.

Obama also introduced the concept of the killer president with his finger on a drone - with the prerogative to murder (Without trial) even his own citizens. Finally we now have a return to Cold War hostility thanks to his policy of confronting and encircling Russia. During his term the police in the US have become militarised and nothing has been done to reign in Wall Street. In short, a terrible President.
 

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Iran is an Islamic Republic- with all that entails. Plenty of threads on here about Islam. It has a nuclear program also. Which has been closely monitored by the West. Last year a deal was done by President Obama to relax sanctions against Iran in return for surveillance of the Nuclear program. The Neo-cons are completely against this deal. With help from the Israelis they are trying to overturn the Obama deal. Iran is a long time target for the Neo cons. It is the only Middle East state that does'nt follow the US diktats and is not intimidated by Israel.
Is this reason enough to bomb Iran and try and turn it into another Iraq/Libya/Syria?
Which "neo-cons" are out to get Iran and why? .....with links pls to all your evidence?
 


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