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The USA needs a conservative African-American president


Shqiptar

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One of the lesser discussed anomalies of US elections (especially the recent presidential election) is the voting pattern of the African-American community. They vote Democratic despite being as conservative (or almost as conservative) on a wide range of issues as Republicans.

The evidence certainly points to the typical African American person being more conservative than the typical white person (European American, if you prefer) on issues such as taxes, gay marriage, sexual abstinence education and the teaching of creationism in the classroom .

Once upon a time, the Republican party was the party of choice for African Americans. In the middle of the 19th century, the Grand Old Party was more pro-abolitionist in its stance and more in favour of racial equality. But times changed. Franklin D Roosevelt with his New Deal Policies was seen as offering better prospects for disenfranchised minorities and the drift towards the Democrats began.

What emerged in the recent presidential election was a divided country - this at a time when it faces major fiscal and economic challenges. At such a time, a nation needs a leader that will unite as many people as possible behind him or her. Much as I admire the guy, I don't see Barack Obama being able to do that. He's not bringing white Conservatives with him in enough numbers. Of course, Mitt Romney, the epitome of white privilege never offered much appeal to minorities - even those that aren't economically disadvantaged.

Obama's greater appeal - guy from disadvantaged background who made it to the top - lies in his being the personification of what Americans believe is their country's greatest trait: you can be whatcha wanna be. By dint of hard work, discipline and self-sacrifice, you can be as successful as anyone. These are conservative values, conservatives should be rushing to support him. Of course, they don't because he's a liberal. There's also perhaps some subtle white-on-black racism but I don't think that's insurmountable.

Personally, I think a conservative African American president offers the best prospects of uniting the country. I don't think his/her being African American would pose an issue for conservatives. Ideological compatibility would far outweigh that.

A conservative African American president would also bring along his/her own community with them because he/she shares not only their race but also their values. I think you'd also get a greater level of sympathy from liberals for whom an African-American wouldn't represent the usual same old white Republican patriarchy.

Then there's charisma. A quick look back over white Republican candidates and presidents in the last few decades reveals a serious deficit in personal magnetism and basic likeability. Sometimes, like Newt Gingrich, they can actually be loathsome.

A basic lack of eloquence is also an issue. I'm not just thinking of all those Reaganisms, Bushisms and Dubyaisms that even now make us laugh out loud. I'm talking about the ability to rouse an audience with a speech. When was the last time a white Republican made the hairs rise on the back of your neck? Obama did it for me - once.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best American speeches I've heard over the decades have all come from African-Americans. From Martin Luther King to Reverend Jesse Jackson, from Al Sharpton to Colin Powell. Preaching, rousing rhetoric, the ability to bring an audience to its feet - these are all distinguishing features of the African American religious scene and more generally, it's that emotional power to unite that Americans need right now to come together and solve their problems.

A lot of Americans felt good about themselves when they elected Barack Obama in 2008. It was a sign of how far the country had come, A few short decades ago, Obama would not have had the vote in a huge swathe of the country. Then he became the leader of the world's more powerful nation. Conservatives didn't quite share in the feel good factor. But with a conservative African American in the White House, there'd be that extra unifying element.

It's not going to happen over the next 4 years but Republicans are already talking about how the USA is changing. Minorities are driving the agenda so much more. White establishment males hold less and less appeal. There's that huge bloc of conservative voters that the GOP has tended to ignore. Perhaps, its future lies in seeking to reconnect with that section of society for which it once held such affinity: the African Americans?

Sources:
1. Blacks as Conservative as Republicans on Some Moral Issues
2. Report Finds that African Americans More Conservative than Liberal | African, Conservative, Americans
 

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Isn't this a bit racist? The best trend is that no one notices what colour or sex a candidate has, and that includes blacks as well as whites and Hispanics, and the GOP.

The criteria should be who is the best person for the job, the best person to represent conservative, or more liberal, values. This is often hard to achieve in the USA's quirky election protocol.

If Obama had white skin (from his mother) he'd never be president at this time in his life. People would have demanded he had more political experience, amongst other things.

Also Obama did not come from a disadvantaged background: it was a white, middle class background. He was not brought up black. He is white with a lighter-than-black skin. He has a self-contained dignity which I do admire.

I don't know what Obama speeches you listened to but the ones I heard before he was elected were simply waffle. I could not understand the rapture from the mostly very young, white audiences. I don't think they ware really listening, they had already decided Obama was The One.
 

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One of the Republican support groups ragingelephants.org ran with a slogan that Martin Luther King was a Republican.

 

Riadach

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One of the Republican support groups ragingelephants.org ran with a slogan that Martin Luther King was a Republican.


J. Edgar would disagree.
 

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Isn't this a bit racist? The best trend is that no one notices what colour or sex a candidate has, and that includes blacks as well as whites and Hispanics, and the GOP.

The criteria should be who is the best person for the job, the best person to represent conservative, or more liberal, values. This is often hard to achieve in the USA's quirky election protocol.

If Obama had white skin (from his mother) he'd never be president at this time in his life. People would have demanded he had more political experience, amongst other things.

Also Obama did not come from a disadvantaged background: it was a white, middle class background. He was not brought up black. He is white with a lighter-than-black skin. He has a self-contained dignity which I do admire.

I don't know what Obama speeches you listened to but the ones I heard before he was elected were simply waffle. I could not understand the rapture from the mostly very young, white audiences. I don't think they ware really listening, they had already decided Obama was The One.
In an ideal world, race and colour shouldn't matter. But, let's face it. It's huge over there. When CNN was analysing the exit polls from each state last Tuesday night, it was all by race - white, Hispanic etc.

You wouldn't get RTE going on about Catholics and Protestants like that!
 

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In an ideal world, race and colour shouldn't matter. But, let's face it. It's huge over there. When CNN was analysing the exit polls from each state last Tuesday night, it was all by race - white, Hispanic etc.

You wouldn't get RTE going on about Catholics and Protestants like that!
Well to c35% of whites it did not matter nor to many Hispanics, so there is progress. Probably the best shot for a conservative black president would have been Colin Powell, but he wasn't interested at all. He preferred to have a peaceful life.

Incidentally, did CNN analyse the exit polls by age group?
 

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Well to c35% of whites it did not matter nor to many Hispanics, so there is progress. Probably the best shot for a conservative black president would have been Colin Powell, but he wasn't interested at all. He preferred to have a peaceful life.

Incidentally, did CNN analyse the exit polls by age group?
Yes, and gender too.
 

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One of the lesser discussed anomalies of US elections (especially the recent presidential election) is the voting pattern of the African-American community. They vote Democratic despite being as conservative (or almost as conservative) on a wide range of issues as Republicans.

The evidence certainly points to the typical African American person being more conservative than the typical white person (European American, if you prefer) on issues such as taxes, gay marriage, sexual abstinence education and the teaching of creationism in the classroom .

Once upon a time, the Republican party was the party of choice for African Americans. In the middle of the 19th century, the Grand Old Party was more pro-abolitionist in its stance and more in favour of racial equality. But times changed. Franklin D Roosevelt with his New Deal Policies was seen as offering better prospects for disenfranchised minorities and the drift towards the Democrats began.

What emerged in the recent presidential election was a divided country - this at a time when it faces major fiscal and economic challenges. At such a time, a nation needs a leader that will unite as many people as possible behind him or her. Much as I admire the guy, I don't see Barack Obama being able to do that. He's not bringing white Conservatives with him in enough numbers. Of course, Mitt Romney, the epitome of white privilege never offered much appeal to minorities - even those that aren't economically disadvantaged.

Obama's greater appeal - guy from disadvantaged background who made it to the top - lies in his being the personification of what Americans believe is their country's greatest trait: you can be whatcha wanna be. By dint of hard work, discipline and self-sacrifice, you can be as successful as anyone. These are conservative values, conservatives should be rushing to support him. Of course, they don't because he's a liberal. There's also perhaps some subtle white-on-black racism but I don't think that's insurmountable.

Personally, I think a conservative African American president offers the best prospects of uniting the country. I don't think his/her being African American would pose an issue for conservatives. Ideological compatibility would far outweigh that.

A conservative African American president would also bring along his/her own community with them because he/she shares not only their race but also their values. I think you'd also get a greater level of sympathy from liberals for whom an African-American wouldn't represent the usual same old white Republican patriarchy.

Then there's charisma. A quick look back over white Republican candidates and presidents in the last few decades reveals a serious deficit in personal magnetism and basic likeability. Sometimes, like Newt Gingrich, they can actually be loathsome.

A basic lack of eloquence is also an issue. I'm not just thinking of all those Reaganisms, Bushisms and Dubyaisms that even now make us laugh out loud. I'm talking about the ability to rouse an audience with a speech. When was the last time a white Republican made the hairs rise on the back of your neck? Obama did it for me - once.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best American speeches I've heard over the decades have all come from African-Americans. From Martin Luther King to Reverend Jesse Jackson, from Al Sharpton to Colin Powell. Preaching, rousing rhetoric, the ability to bring an audience to its feet - these are all distinguishing features of the African American religious scene and more generally, it's that emotional power to unite that Americans need right now to come together and solve their problems.

A lot of Americans felt good about themselves when they elected Barack Obama in 2008. It was a sign of how far the country had come, A few short decades ago, Obama would not have had the vote in a huge swathe of the country. Then he became the leader of the world's more powerful nation. Conservatives didn't quite share in the feel good factor. But with a conservative African American in the White House, there'd be that extra unifying element.

It's not going to happen over the next 4 years but Republicans are already talking about how the USA is changing. Minorities are driving the agenda so much more. White establishment males hold less and less appeal. There's that huge bloc of conservative voters that the GOP has tended to ignore. Perhaps, its future lies in seeking to reconnect with that section of society for which it once held such affinity: the African Americans?

Sources:
1. Blacks as Conservative as Republicans on Some Moral Issues
2. Report Finds that African Americans More Conservative than Liberal | African, Conservative, Americans
YOu miss the point.

Obama will be President for 4 years, and in 2016 his coalition of voters will be at the service of the Democrat candidate at that time. There is no Afro-American in the field, so it will be a white man or woman.

That may well give them a chance to pick off Indiana and North Carolina, where a white candidate will have broader appeal. With a revived economy and peace abroad, the Democrats will be able (hopefully) to point to superiority over the Republicans on the economy and on national security.

A Conservative Afro-American President? There already is one, called Barack Obama.
 

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Vote for Uncle Tom?
 

owedtojoy

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One of the Republican support groups ragingelephants.org ran with a slogan that Martin Luther King was a Republican.

Yeah, those were all Republicans getting savaged by Bull Connor's police dogs, or getting their heads bashed in at Selma. Not a Socialist or Communist among them, no sir!
 

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Condoleezza Rice 2016. They still have to get over the woman thing too, before such things can be cast aside. And if the rumors of her having had a female roommate back in the day with a joint bank account are true it's a game, set & match.
 

Shqiptar

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Isn't this a bit racist? The best trend is that no one notices what colour or sex a candidate has, and that includes blacks as well as whites and Hispanics, and the GOP.

The criteria should be who is the best person for the job, the best person to represent conservative, or more liberal, values. This is often hard to achieve in the USA's quirky election protocol.

If Obama had white skin (from his mother) he'd never be president at this time in his life. People would have demanded he had more political experience, amongst other things.

Also Obama did not come from a disadvantaged background: it was a white, middle class background. He was not brought up black. He is white with a lighter-than-black skin. He has a self-contained dignity which I do admire.

I don't know what Obama speeches you listened to but the ones I heard before he was elected were simply waffle. I could not understand the rapture from the mostly very young, white audiences. I don't think they ware really listening, they had already decided Obama was The One.
The Obama speech that did it for me was his inauguration speech in 2009.

I suppose you could call it racist to make the point I'm making. But look at it this way. Voting African Americans into power makes Yanks feel good about themselves. All that history or lynching and segregation in the Deep South is a dark stain that they want to wipe out.

It's kind of like Irish people electing gay TDs. Or 22 years ago when we elected our first female president. It gives us all such a feel good factor that the majority will cut that person some extra slack.

I don't know about how wealthy his family was but Obama had a rather disrupted upbringing.
 

Shqiptar

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Condoleezza Rice 2016. They still have to get over the woman thing too, before such things can be cast aside. And if the rumors of her having had a female roommate back in the day with a joint bank account are true it's a game, set & match.
Woohoo! Black, gay and female! Start the betting now, folks!
 

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YOu miss the point.

Obama will be President for 4 years, and in 2016 his coalition of voters will be at the service of the Democrat candidate at that time. There is no Afro-American in the field, so it will be a white man or woman.

That may well give them a chance to pick off Indiana and North Carolina, where a white candidate will have broader appeal. With a revived economy and peace abroad, the Democrats will be able (hopefully) to point to superiority over the Republicans on the economy and on national security.

A Conservative Afro-American President? There already is one, called Barack Obama.
I think Shqiptar was thinking of a conservative afro-american who is a Republican candidate.

Also Obama is not conservative, he is a slow mover. He dithered in the first two years of his presidency when he had a Democrat majority in the House, probably mostly because of his inexperience. He is cautious, as well as having since 2010 a very hostile House of Representatives. He'd like to do a few non-conservative things such as raising the taxation levels for the rich. Who knows, he may get such changes through the House, but it is unlikely.
 

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America doesn't need a conservative president, whatever his colour.
 

Shqiptar

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One of the Republican support groups ragingelephants.org ran with a slogan that Martin Luther King was a Republican.

Meh. I'd say that convinced precisely no-one.
 

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The GOP maybe a conservative party but it seems to be a white man's conservative party. Its use of dog whistle politics seems to alienate minorities. As conservative as some minority voters are they might judge that their best interest at the moment is voting Democrat. Why would such conservatives want to support a party whose base is in the South?

As with regards to needing a conservative black president some have argued that's exactly what the US has now.

America's Tory President - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast
 

Shqiptar

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YOu miss the point.

Obama will be President for 4 years, and in 2016 his coalition of voters will be at the service of the Democrat candidate at that time. There is no Afro-American in the field, so it will be a white man or woman.

That may well give them a chance to pick off Indiana and North Carolina, where a white candidate will have broader appeal. With a revived economy and peace abroad, the Democrats will be able (hopefully) to point to superiority over the Republicans on the economy and on national security.
So, what will happen to these 48-49% who voted for Romney? Will they just cease to exist.

A Conservative Afro-American President? There already is one, called Barack Obama.
Anyone who is pro-gay marriage is not conservative in an American context.
 
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