The UUP strikes back

McSlaggart

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Mr Aiken - who will succeed Robin Swann unopposed as UUP leader in a fortnight - said the DUP had "besmirched unionism with its corruption and sleaze".

He branded Arlene Foster's leadership of the DUP as disastrous and said failure would be her political epitaph over Brexit and the suspension of devolution for almost three years.

He expressed "admiration and respect" for Alliance leader Naomi Long but said he was determined that the UUP win back the voters it has lost to her party.


He will do well to win either of his target seats (Antrim and Fermanagh and South Tyrone). That said this is the ideal time to try and gain some ground back on the DUP.
 


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Jesus H Christ.

They can't even go back into Stormont and we have to worry about what our N Irish pygmie Unionists are going to do to advance their careers.
 

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It looks like Aiken would turn the UUP into a proper Remain party. That might help them against Alliance. You can't out-DUP the DUP any more than the SDLP could out Sinn Fein-Sinn Fein.
 

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It looks like Aiken would turn the UUP into a proper Remain party. That might help them against Alliance. You can't out-DUP the DUP any more than the SDLP could out Sinn Fein-Sinn Fein.
It doesn't matter anymore - that ship has sailed - Aiken akin to moving deckchairs on the Titanic.

The Tories want Britain to deviate from EU rules and regulations - that is not going to change.

The new border between Ireland as a whole and Britain will be in the Irish Sea.
 

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If they run a candidate in every seat then then candidates like John Finucane could do very well.
The idea of not having a clear run in marginal seats would frighten the sh*t out of the DUP.

They could kiss goodbye to North Belfast, possibly lose South Belfast to either the Sinners, the SDLP or Alliance. I think Alliance could sweep up a lot of remainer votes in South Belfast.

If the UUP ran a 'spoiler' candidate in North Down it would copperfasten Sylvia Hermon there. The DUP could lose South Antrim back to the UUP.

It may turn out to be a distinctly unpleasant election for them.
 

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The idea of not having a clear run in marginal seats would frighten the sh*t out of the DUP.

They could kiss goodbye to North Belfast, possibly lose South Belfast to either the Sinners, the SDLP or Alliance. I think Alliance could sweep up a lot of remainer votes in South Belfast.

If the UUP ran a 'spoiler' candidate in North Down it would copperfasten Sylvia Hermon there. The DUP could lose South Antrim back to the UUP.

It may turn out to be a distinctly unpleasant election for them.


 

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Pengelly looks gone in S Belfast with Dodds facing a fight to hold his seat.

Our election in many ways is just a very small fringe event.

Whether Johnson can get a majority for his sea border or Labour win to effectively halt brexit leaves unionists with two unwanted possible outcomes at the end of this.
 

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Pengelly looks gone in S Belfast with Dodds facing a fight to hold his seat.

Our election in many ways is just a very small fringe event.

Whether Johnson can get a majority for his sea border or Labour win to effectively halt brexit leaves unionists with two unwanted possible outcomes at the end of this.
At this stage, the DUP would heave a massive sigh of relief if Brexit just went away. It's been nothing but trouble for them.

A Labour Party overall majority however may raise other issues that they might not be so comfortable with.
 

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If the UUP want to be back in contention they have to run in every seat.
If they every want to be taken seriously as a party for all the people of Northern Ireland then they have to give all the people of Northern Ireland the opportunity to vote for them. That is, if they want people from non-traditional unionist backgrounds who are financial unionists the chance to vote for them.

Otherwise, it's all just empty words and they will slide further into obscurity.
 

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Ken Loach: “When it comes to Ireland...it has come time to right the historic wrong of partition. We put in this crinkly border to maintain a majority for unionists. Ireland is one geographic unity. It is time to at least give people the chance to unite.” Ken Loach: What’s Britain doing owning part of Ireland?
 

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The UUP running could cost the DUP North Belfast, but if Aiken is staking out a more clearly remain position distinguishing the UUP from the DUP, a slightly improved performance by the UUP could cost the DUP in a number of seats where the UUP ran in 2017 but performed poorly.

On a really bad day, the DUP could lose all three of its Belfast seats (North to SF, East to Alliance and South to SDLP or Alliance), lose any hope of unseating Sylvia Hermon, and possibly lose South Antrim to the UUP and Upper Bann to SF. It would take a very bad day for them but not inconceivable that the DUP could return with only five seats.
 

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The UUP running could cost the DUP North Belfast, but if Aiken is staking out a more clearly remain position distinguishing the UUP from the DUP, a slightly improved performance by the UUP could cost the DUP in a number of seats where the UUP ran in 2017 but performed poorly.

On a really bad day, the DUP could lose all three of its Belfast seats (North to SF, East to Alliance and South to SDLP or Alliance), lose any hope of unseating Sylvia Hermon, and possibly lose South Antrim to the UUP and Upper Bann to SF. It would take a very bad day for them but not inconceivable that the DUP could return with only five seats.
It will be interesting to see if the UUP follow through on competing in each seat, I would suspect that there is massive resistance to this amongst the UUP membership. It would be an extremely brave decision to take, they are unlikely to see an immediate benefit in terms of shifting votes from Alliance but putting clear water between them and the DUP is probably the only long term strategy they have which keeps them relevant.
 

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The UUP running could cost the DUP North Belfast, but if Aiken is staking out a more clearly remain position distinguishing the UUP from the DUP, a slightly improved performance by the UUP could cost the DUP in a number of seats where the UUP ran in 2017 but performed poorly.

On a really bad day, the DUP could lose all three of its Belfast seats (North to SF, East to Alliance and South to SDLP or Alliance), lose any hope of unseating Sylvia Hermon, and possibly lose South Antrim to the UUP and Upper Bann to SF. It would take a very bad day for them but not inconceivable that the DUP could return with only five seats.
I wonder would "that" finally wide the smugness off Snarlenes face .. lets hope we find out

(even though its a false smugness at this stage)
 

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You have to ask the obvious question of what is the point of two unionist parties if they form a pact at every election ?
 

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At this stage, the DUP would heave a massive sigh of relief if Brexit just went away. It's been nothing but trouble for them.

A Labour Party overall majority however may raise other issues that they might not be so comfortable with.
If brexit goes away then it’s a big win. I’ll take that.
 

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If the UUP want to be back in contention they have to run in every seat.
Yes but they will come under enormous pressure not to run in North and South Belfast but i agree if they want to become relevant again then they must contest all 18.
 

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Yes but they will come under enormous pressure not to run in North and South Belfast but i agree if they want to become relevant again then they must contest all 18.
They could say that they won't run in North Belfast if the DUP don't run in South Belfast but I don't think the DUP would like that.

It's very simple, either the UUP stand up for themselves and their voters and run a candidate in every constituency or they accept their role as the DUP's lapdogs.
 


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