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SF want to bring in a council tax.


**** the ****s.


Not one of them had a direct link to any of the 1916 leaders.
 


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SF want to bring in a council tax.

**** the ****s.

Not one of them had a direct link to any of the 1916 leaders.
You're not PBP, you're a FGer.

FG brought in the home tax and wanted a scandalous water tax, so they could hand over the people's water supply to their billionaire benefactor :mad:
 

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You're not PBP, you're a FGer.

FG brought in the home tax and wanted a scandalous water tax, so they could hand over the people's water supply to their billionaire benefactor :mad:
Nope. Not a FGer.

I hate the three pro abortion stooges.
 

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The Sun was right.

He is an airhead.
 

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You're not PBP, you're a FGer.

FG brought in the home tax and wanted a scandalous water tax, so they could hand over the people's water supply to their billionaire benefactor :mad:
That was the reason why so many people took to the streets because it was apparent that privatisation and handing over a national asset to a man who filled the party coffers was on the cards. Luckily for us his good friend is no longer the head of the FG party as after his recent massive losses he would be eyeing it up again and having a word in Enda's ear. FG are having their best run ever in government since the foundation of the state and will likely tread very lightly around an issue which previously caused tens of thousands to take to the streets in protest for weeks on end.
 

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FF candidate running for local council just told me that FG are planning on bringing in water charges after this election and that FF are going to oppose this. Nothing has changed when it comes to telling the voter what you think will get you his/her vote. :D
Hahaha - pull the other one - that's the best I've heard - there is nothing politicians will stoop to - lying is second nature to them.
Was it not FF who originally wanted to introduce water charges (Brian Lenehan, Dec.2009)
 
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Hahaha - pull the other one - that's the best I've heard - there is nothing politicians will stoop to - lying is second nature to them.
Was it not FF who originally wanted to introduce water charges (Brian Lenehan, Dec.2009)
During the Dublin south west by election in 2014, the poor SF leaders were in favour of a water charge!
Paul Murphy defeated the hot favourite Cathal King of SF to win the seat. Poor SF changed their policy on water charges after their shock defeat.
 

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During the Dublin south west by election in 2014, the poor SF leaders were in favour of a water charge!
Paul Murphy defeated the hot favourite Cathal King of SF to win the seat. Poor SF changed their policy on water charges after their shock defeat.
And the people who introduced the water charges in 2009 changed to opposing them.

That hypocrisy was tolerated by media.
 

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And the people who introduced the water charges in 2009 changed to opposing them.

That hypocrisy was tolerated by media.
Do you agree with poor SF changing their policy after losing the 2014 by election?
 

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Do you agree with poor SF changing their policy after losing the 2014 by election?
That was hypocrisy.

But that the people who introduced water charges in the 2009 budget changed their policy was a an even bigger hypocrisy.
 

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That was hypocrisy.

But that the people who introduced water charges in the 2009 budget changed their policy was a an even bigger hypocrisy.
So your posting that it was "hypocrisy" by one party but "an even bigger hypocrisy" by another party!
Is that your opinion?
Do you want to try again?
 

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So your posting that it was "hypocrisy" by one party but "an even bigger hypocrisy" by another party!
Is that your opinion?
Do you want to try again?
The perspective to the debate is something like the following.

One political grouping had been in virtually unchallenged power and had been re-elected at successive elections for years.

The power went to their heads and they made reckless decisions which bankrupt the country.

The austerity was caused, therefore, by the virtually unchallenged decisions of those at the head of government, financial institutions etc in the pre-2009 period.

The actions of those powerful people ended up with cuts in public expenditure and the introduction of a proposal to charge for water in 2009.

It all led to a 50bn euro government deficit and an 85bn euro bailout in 2010.

Blaming the smaller parties for the austerity is a distraction.

But that is what the same Irish media as cheer led the pre-2009 decisions which bankrupted the country are doing.
 

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The perspective to the debate is something like the following.

One political grouping had been in virtually unchallenged power and had been re-elected at successive elections for years.

The power went to their heads and they made reckless decisions which bankrupt the country.

The austerity was caused, therefore, by the virtually unchallenged decisions of those at the head of government, financial institutions etc in the pre-2009 period.

The actions of those powerful people ended up with cuts in public expenditure and the introduction of a proposal to charge for water in 2009.

It all led to a 50bn euro government deficit and an 85bn euro bailout in 2010.

Blaming the smaller parties for the austerity is a distraction.

But that is what the same Irish media as cheer led the pre-2009 decisions which bankrupted the country are doing.
Ok, I'll try again.
You posted that it was "hypocrisy" by poor SF but "an even bigger hypocrisy" by FF!
Do you agree with your earlier post?
Don't be ashamed to answer.
Thanks
 

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Most of the the thousands and thousands of anti water charges warriors who managed to work themselves into a hysterical state over the prospect of paying €3 a week for water were conspicuous by their absence when a real issue was being addressed on Saturday's housing protest.
 

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Ok, I'll try again.
You posted that it was "hypocrisy" by poor SF but "an even bigger hypocrisy" by FF!
Do you agree with your earlier post?
Don't be ashamed to answer.
Thanks
OK I'll try again.

One political group had been re-elected in 5 consecutive elections between 1987 and 2007.

They increased government expenditure from around 20bn in 2007 to 100 bn in 2010 and as a result bankrupt the country.


They proposed the introduction of water charges in the 2009 budget.

They are now blaming everyone else for the consequences of the bankrupting of the country.

In relation to the water charges issue they now oppose them.

Another smaller political group which originally supported water charges also now opposes them.

That smaller political group has a violent past and consequently has a bad reputation among much of the electorate.

But on the specific issue being discussed here the large political group which bankrupt the country and are now blaming everyone else for the consequences and also proposed the water charges and then opposed them are bigger hypocrites than the smaller party which merely did a U-turn on the water charges.
 

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OK I'll try again.

One political group had been re-elected in 5 consecutive elections between 1987 and 2007.

They increased government expenditure from around 20bn in 2007 to 100 bn in 2010 and as a result bankrupt the country.


They proposed the introduction of water charges in the 2009 budget.

They are now blaming everyone else for the consequences of the bankrupting of the country.

In relation to the water charges issue they now oppose them.

Another smaller political group which originally supported water charges also now opposes them.

That smaller political group has a violent past and consequently has a bad reputation among much of the electorate.

But on the specific issue being discussed here the large political group which bankrupt the country and are now blaming everyone else for the consequences and also proposed the water charges and then opposed them are bigger hypocrites than the smaller party which merely did a U-turn on the water charges.
Is there a reason for you quoting a post and then not even mentioning it in your reply!
Not once, but twice!
Couldn't make it up!
Are you ashamed of what you posted earlier?
Just answer post #6791 on this thread.
Thanks
 

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Have they started putting meters down again? There seem to be doing something around Galway City recently.
 

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Also are we due to receive bills in June?
 

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I thought the farce hadn't gone away and June was the starting point again?
 


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