The White Helmets, are a "propaganda construct" - Pilger. Who are they ?

Post-truth

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Vanessa Beeley has been investigating them for years. Pretty comprehensive breakdown of this obscene manfactured group in her report from last year.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/inves...s-committing-acts-terror-across-syria/231597/

Their whole schtick seems to be running frantically at the camera with a child in their arms. It's criminal how the media have used them.



'In Syria we are seeing the unprecedented use of children as propaganda tools to promote a “humanitarian” war to kill more children. No other organisation exploits images of children with such global impact as the NATO-member-state bankrolled White Helmets.

This child exploitation will one day be recognised as one of the most egregious crimes committed against the Syrian people, during this seven year conflict, by the US Coalition and its UK/US intelligence-created propaganda construct, the White Helmets.'
http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/03/...n-manufacture-consent-humanitarian-war-syria/
 


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Vanessa Beeley has been investigating them for years. Pretty comprehensive breakdown of this obscene manfactured group in her report from last year.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/inves...s-committing-acts-terror-across-syria/231597/

Their whole schtick seems to be running frantically at the camera with a child in their arms. It's criminal how the media have used them.



'In Syria we are seeing the unprecedented use of children as propaganda tools to promote a “humanitarian” war to kill more children. No other organisation exploits images of children with such global impact as the NATO-member-state bankrolled White Helmets.

This child exploitation will one day be recognised as one of the most egregious crimes committed against the Syrian people, during this seven year conflict, by the US Coalition and its UK/US intelligence-created propaganda construct, the White Helmets.'
http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/03/...n-manufacture-consent-humanitarian-war-syria/
Look at your sources. Do you every quote a reputable source for your nutter conspiracy theories? Its obvious the white helmets have been the victim of a massive propaganda campaign by the Russians. Either you are another Putin bot or you are too stupid to know you have swallowed their line hook line and sinker.
 

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Pity you couldn't engage with what he said instead of simply dismissing it. Should we dismiss your posts simply based on the fact that you're a dyed in the wool Thatcherite and pro imperial neoliberal?
Pilger has posted BS time out of number and has a track record of seeing the hand of the US/Israel/the West/IMF (delete as appropriate) when it is clear that the hand is not there. Pilger is a fraud.
 

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Vanessa Beeley has been investigating them for years. Pretty comprehensive breakdown of this obscene manfactured group in her report from last year.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/inves...s-committing-acts-terror-across-syria/231597/

Their whole schtick seems to be running frantically at the camera with a child in their arms. It's criminal how the media have used them.



'In Syria we are seeing the unprecedented use of children as propaganda tools to promote a “humanitarian” war to kill more children. No other organisation exploits images of children with such global impact as the NATO-member-state bankrolled White Helmets.

This child exploitation will one day be recognised as one of the most egregious crimes committed against the Syrian people, during this seven year conflict, by the US Coalition and its UK/US intelligence-created propaganda construct, the White Helmets.'
http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/03/...n-manufacture-consent-humanitarian-war-syria/
Vanessa Beeley. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
 

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I don't see why incorrect inaction on Israel's oppression of Palestine negates correct action on Assad.
On what basis is action against Assad correct?

If Al Quaeda and DAESH were to start taking Irish towns and villages in the name of Allah, would the Irish Government go "ah shur you're grand lads", or would they try and liberate the said towns and villages?
 

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John Pilger, Robert Fisk, Greg Palast have all been become personae non gratiae for MSM , and right wing leaning media , I wonder why?I've read material from all three and they just use material that is released about the topics they discuss.I recommend "The best Democracy Money Can Buy" by Greg Palast to show how a free democratic country can still be corrupted legally by the Corporates and rich , powerful individuals.

Robert Fisk has been debunked for his utterly repulsive whitewashing of the *2012* Daraya Massacre
by the Assad regime.;)
 

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Pilger has posted BS time out of number and has a track record of seeing the hand of the US/Israel/the West/IMF (delete as appropriate) when it is clear that the hand is not there. Pilger is a fraud.
And again, you've repeated your methodology of dismissing some one without elaborating his alleged 'fraud'.

Perhaps you're guilty of doing what you allege Pilger does but from the other side, maybe your pro imperial perspective blinds you to facts?

Here you can see Pilger putting a gun to the head of these CIA agents to tell lies...:roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ-E--rmi3k
 

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So the White Helmets , to satisfy your Sherlockian nose for these things , should only consist of different people every time the Russians or Assad bomb the crap out of the place ? A never ending stream of volunteers like ?

No just shocking how many times one person can get injured, or how they can be a jihadi then a frontline rescuer, then waving ISIS flags
 
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And again, you've repeated your methodology of dismissing some one without elaborating his alleged 'fraud'.

Perhaps you're guilty of doing what you allege Pilger does but from the other side, maybe your pro imperial perspective blinds you to facts?

Here you can see Pilger putting a gun to the head of these CIA agents to tell lies...:roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ-E--rmi3k
Very good documentary, that - although how much of it is accurate is debatable. The PR campaign to overthrown Arbenz was brilliantly orchestrated (by Bernays I think?).

I think what was most pleasing about Pilger's film, was his interview with the former CIA spymaster Clarridge, who was quite honest about American hegemony, and "national security interests":

"Get used to it! Don't like it? Lump it!"
 

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Very good documentary, that - although how much of it is accurate is debatable. The PR campaign to overthrown Arbenz was brilliantly orchestrated (by Bernays I think?).

I think what was most pleasing about Pilger's film, was his interview with the former CIA spymaster Clarridge, who was quite honest about American hegemony, and "national security interests":

"Get used to it! Don't like it? Lump it!"
Nothing Pilger did - and he did some good stuff a long time ago - excuses his lies about Srebrenitsa and Slobodan Milošević.
 
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Nothing Pilger did - and he did some good stuff a long time ago - excuses his lies about Srebrenitsa and Slobodan Milošević.
Presumably that logic also applies to British and American lies about the various conflicts they've been involved in post ww2?

Claiming that one side is more truthful than the other is naive.

Both sides follow corporate PR models on selling conflicts to their respective publics.

Clarridge actually makes a very good point in that Pilger documentary, "we'll do what's necessary to protect national security."

 
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[video=youtube;SNgCyDsvi84]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgCyDsvi84[/video]
 

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Nothing Pilger did - and he did some good stuff a long time ago - excuses his lies about Srebrenitsa and Slobodan Milošević.
He was completely wrong on the Serbian regime. A pyramid of lies and distortion. Milosevic was primarily (though not wholly) responsible for the Yugoslav wars through his promotion of ethnic chauvinism. He was not the only leader to blame but given Serbias military predominance, he was the main culprit.

Ironically, when he first came to power, he was looked on favourably by the IMF and western leaders because he began an all-out privatisation of Serbian industry. His ethnic nationalism actually undermined working class resistance to his neo-liberal policies, something an old leftie like Pilger air-brushes from all his pro-Milosevic accounts.

This is what happens when you are so obsessed with western imperialism you cant recognise what is right in front of your face. It was Miosevics own actions that made the NATO intervention possible.
 

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Nothing Pilger did - and he did some good stuff a long time ago - excuses his lies about Srebrenitsa and Slobodan Milošević.
Milosevic who was exonerated by the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia and Srebrenica from where 150 Serb villages
were destroyed and 2,383 innocent people(high number of elderly had their throats cut) murdered in the most heinous manner by the likes of Naser Oric from 92-95? The oft cited 8000 'men and boys' is pure fiction and a triumph of propaganda. Nowhere near that number were massacred, they were vengeance killings for the previous massacres and all the bodies they found after July 1995 were counted as executed, even though a large number were killed in combat. A war crime none the less but you don't bus out twenty thousand women and children if your intent is genocide. You swallowed the Disney version, fair play to you.


Bill Schiller from the Toronto Star interviewing Oric in 1994.
'Oric, as blood-thirsty a warrior as ever crossed a battlefield, escaped Srebrenica before it fell. Some believe he may be leading the Bosnian Muslim forces in the nearby enclaves of Zepa and Gorazde. Last night these forces seized armored personnel carriers and other weapons from U.N. peacekeepers in order to better protect themselves.

Oric is a fearsome man, and proud of it.

I met him in January, 1994, in his own home in Serb-surrounded Srebrenica.

On a cold and snowy night, I sat in his living room watching a shocking video version of what might have been called Nasir Oric's Greatest Hits.

There were burning houses, dead bodies, severed heads, and people fleeing.

Oric grinned throughout, admiring his handiwork.

"We ambushed them," he said when a number of dead Serbs appeared on the screen.

The next sequence of dead bodies had been done in by explosives: "We launched those guys to the moon," he boasted.

When footage of a bullet-marked ghost town appeared without any visible bodies, Oric hastened to announce: "We killed 114 Serbs there."

Later there were celebrations, with singers with wobbly voices chanting his praises.'
Reporter's Account of an Evening Spent with Nasir Oric, Muslim Commander in Srebrenica
 

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He was completely wrong on the Serbian regime. A pyramid of lies and distortion. Milosevic was primarily (though not wholly) responsible for the Yugoslav wars through his promotion of ethnic chauvinism. He was not the only leader to blame but given Serbias military predominance, he was the main culprit.

Ironically, when he first came to power, he was looked on favourably by the IMF and western leaders because he began an all-out privatisation of Serbian industry. His ethnic nationalism actually undermined working class resistance to his neo-liberal policies, something an old leftie like Pilger air-brushes from all his pro-Milosevic accounts.

This is what happens when you are so obsessed with western imperialism you cant recognise what is right in front of your face. It was Miosevics own actions that made the NATO intervention possible.
You're such a weirdo.

'LOL, here comes Paddy, sure the Hittites and Scythians murdered a few too, musha.

The point is, that we are told for twenty years that the Yugoslav conflict was created by the Serbs and in particular Milosevic. And that he and the Serbs were guilty of genocide, or attempted genocide.

And its all lies, as the Hague itself has made clear.

Paddy never had any interest in that war, and he doesnt now. Stop kidding yourselves.'
http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/250529-milosevich-innocent-7.html
 

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You're such a weirdo.

'LOL, here comes Paddy, sure the Hittites and Scythians murdered a few too, musha.

The point is, that we are told for twenty years that the Yugoslav conflict was created by the Serbs and in particular Milosevic. And that he and the Serbs were guilty of genocide, or attempted genocide.

And its all lies, as the Hague itself has made clear.

Paddy never had any interest in that war, and he doesnt now. Stop kidding yourselves.'
http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/250529-milosevich-innocent-7.html
All sides commited atrocoties but by far the worst offenders were the Serbs. They had the firepower from the Yugoslav defence forces' leftovers and used it unmercifully against both combatants and civilians in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. The siege of Sarajevo had nothing to do with winning a war, it was maintained largely by irregulars for over a year. They shot anything that came into their crosshairs; men, women and children. They lobbed mortars into markets and into people queueing for bread. None of it was for military advantage, it was simply an expression of murderous, blind cruelty. 'We can do this, so we do'.

Milosevic, Karadzič and Mladic were the faces that came to represent Serb cruelty at its most extreme. All were criminals and Milosevic himself a latter-day Adolf Hitler.

Your view of Balkans 1990s history is cockeyed, putting it mildly.
 

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You're such a weirdo.

'LOL, here comes Paddy, sure the Hittites and Scythians murdered a few too, musha.

The point is, that we are told for twenty years that the Yugoslav conflict was created by the Serbs and in particular Milosevic. And that he and the Serbs were guilty of genocide, or attempted genocide.

And its all lies, as the Hague itself has made clear.

Paddy never had any interest in that war, and he doesnt now. Stop kidding yourselves.'
http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/250529-milosevich-innocent-7.html
Sorry. Ould Slobbo as a Misunderstood Saint just does not compute.
 

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If the rest of the world stayed out of the domestic affairs and civil wars in other countries, particularly in the Middle East there would have been far fewer deaths and the wars would have been over years ago. This protracted nonsense of cease fires during sieges and sending in food aid and general interference prolongs wars for years. The NGO's are delighted with it because they make so much money from it.

We don't have to like what's going on there but it is none of our business and we should stay out of it. Let these people sort their own affairs out.
 


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