The white male underclass - a dilemma for the left.

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It's an article of faith that leftists will stand up for the rights of the underprivileged. There was a time when this would refer almost exclusively to anyone who wasn't male, heterosexual, white, and able-bodied. However, as the economic sands have shifted over the last few decades, the developed world has seen the emergence of a class of unemployed and/or underprivileged white males and that trend is showing no sign of abating.

In leftist theory, white males are at the top of the privilege pyramid and by definition cannot be one of the downtrodden. More often, they're uniformly dismissed as bigots and racists. If they're doing poorly, it's their own fault. Check out this article in which the writer declares that poor white rural communities in the US "deserve to die".

In fairness, it's not all the fault of the leftists. Many underprivileged white males feel little attraction for the kind of leftist who will only objectivize them as permanent victims who constantly need help and protection. The cooing condescension that goes along with this can be repulsive to the self-image of toughness and self-reliance that males very often have. Hence, underprivileged white males are more open to advances from the right which tells them that their predicament is due to some Other: foreigners, Muslims, east Asians etc.

This is unlikely to change soon because not only does the left not know how to reach out to the white male underclass in western society, it doesn't seem remotely interested in doing so.
 


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There is a line between lower working class and lumpen. Basically Capitalism is fine with "Political Correctness", etc- in fact transnational companies push it, but it isn't fine with increased workers' rights, pay, etc no mind Socialism. Also a lot of bourgeois are motivated by self-hatred which makes them empathize with out groups such as trannies, homosexuals and Muslims (no I'm NOT lumping Muslims in with trannies and homosexuals but they do) while as they see ordinary indigenous as to much part of the hated "norm" that they feel judges and has been mean to them.
 

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in my experience they tend to be quite right wing whilst professing to be lefty.......

a bit like Sinn Fein/ira
 

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travel to the poverty stricken parts of England and you will find the 'teenage white female underclass' are largely having kids with newcomer fellas that would not be classed as 'white male underclass'.

maybe that is why the latter feel so embittered ?

and the supply of a constant stream of welfare payments to economic under-performers is another reason the Left are in retreat in these same neighbourhoods.

The white-male-underclass were a strong advocate for Brexit
 

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'the developed world has seen the emergence of a class of unemployed and/or underprivileged white males and that trend is showing no sign of abating. '

? Surely there always has been a class of unemployed and/or underprivileged white males. What do you think triggered Marx? Not sure what to make of your premise/analysis.
 

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It's an article of faith that leftists will stand up for the rights of the underprivileged. There was a time when this would refer almost exclusively to anyone who wasn't male, heterosexual, white, and able-bodied. However, as the economic sands have shifted over the last few decades, the developed world has seen the emergence of a class of unemployed and/or underprivileged white males and that trend is showing no sign of abating.

In leftist theory, white males are at the top of the privilege pyramid and by definition cannot be one of the downtrodden. More often, they're uniformly dismissed as bigots and racists. If they're doing poorly, it's their own fault. Check out this article in which the writer declares that poor white rural communities in the US "deserve to die".

In fairness, it's not all the fault of the leftists. Many underprivileged white males feel little attraction for the kind of leftist who will only objectivize them as permanent victims who constantly need help and protection. The cooing condescension that goes along with this can be repulsive to the self-image of toughness and self-reliance that males very often have. Hence, underprivileged white males are more open to advances from the right which tells them that their predicament is due to some Other: foreigners, Muslims, east Asians etc.

This is unlikely to change soon because not only does the left not know how to reach out to the white male underclass in western society, it doesn't seem remotely interested in doing so.
Given that this is a predominantly white country, and given that we have a very active 'left', where is your evidence for suggesting that the Irish left does not see white unemployed males as deserving of or needing help or better treatment?
 
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Given that this is a predominantly white country, and given that we have a very active 'left', where is your evidence for suggesting that the Irish left does not see white unemployed males of deserving or needing help or better treatment?
that ruann woman who is a senator , never heard of her before was interviewed by whats his face on rte, you know the show where he doesn't know who the guests are going to be. Even she was throwing in feminist terms like her only interest was working class women and their advancement. if she had more brain cells she might have copped that she might not be a single mother now if the boys were inspired to be better.
 

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Given that this is a predominantly white country, and given that we have a very active 'left', where is your evidence for suggesting that the Irish left does not see white unemployed males of deserving or needing help or better treatment?
sinn fein , labour and rich boy barrett seem to like open borders ? refugees welcome here. nevermind the housing crisis. Just increase the dole and all will live in a la la paradise.
 

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oh dear, another thread of White victimhood..
 

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You have that strange metamorphosis of the left and the right.

The left of today is nothing like the left of a few decades ago.its certainly nothing like the left of the early 20th century where by a man like Connolly could rail against foreign workers being the tools of capitalists. Instead the current pseudo left is the product of people who saw that their career depended on them being okay with capitalists and left play away with social justice issues so long as it didn't upset Capital. This worked since Capital absolutely didn't care who married who and absolutely did love the fact that the more labor available the lower the wages.

The right used be socially and fiscally conservative. They were against this and for business. They blamed the left for immigration even though the business groups and the rich were the loudest champions. And they did it for years. They were blind and foolish and obsessed with opposing commies. So they left capitalists ride their countries all day long. Until eventually the light broke through and they say that actually it's big business which is driving Immigration, causing all these issues the right is worried about and there screwing people. So now if you look at a site like Breitbart it's like reading a 50smarxist. It's full of derogatory references to business first people, the tricks of big business to depress wages, and generally teaching people not to trust Capitalists but to leash them.

In that context then you have a pseudo left which first asks what's your intersectionality and by whom and how are you oppressed. But they absolutely won't even consider the idea that Capitalist driven immigration might be under cutting workers because they believe the neo liberal line that well all be better off.

And now the right is talking about the working class because they have finally opened their eyes, copped on, and actually see that there is an opening there.

This is a critical danger for progressive forces.
 

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that ruann woman who is a senator , never heard of her before was interviewed by whats his face on rte, you know the show where he doesn't know who the guests are going to be. Even she was throwing in feminist terms like her only interest was working class women and their advancement. if she had more brain cells she might have copped that she might not be a single mother now if the boys were inspired to be better.
She's not traditional left
 

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sinn fein , labour and rich boy barrett seem to like open borders ? refugees welcome here. nevermind the housing crisis. Just increase the dole and all will live in a la la paradise.
Like many other policies they do in theory, as long as they never have to implement the policy. Big difference.

Seems to be fair few 'hard lefties' on this site, so maybe they can shed some light on the OP? Are these posters male or female, disadvantaged or from the leafy suburbs a la Mary Lou, Murphy and Rich Boy.
 

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Given that this is a predominantly white country, and given that we have a very active 'left', where is your evidence for suggesting that the Irish left does not see white unemployed males as deserving of or needing help or better treatment?
We are part of the EU now and not an independent Nation so boarder EU issues effect us.
 

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'the developed world has seen the emergence of a class of unemployed and/or underprivileged white males and that trend is showing no sign of abating. '

? Surely there always has been a class of unemployed and/or underprivileged white males. What do you think triggered Marx? Not sure what to make of your premise/analysis.
The right has basically discovered the working class.

It's likely only a by product of paycheck progressive screaming about stupid poor uneducated people who voted for brexit, or who called half a country deplorable in America. The right probably thought who is this working class that the paycheck progressives hate so much.

Lo and behold now you've got right wingers arguing for increased wages and paycheck progressives arguing a factory worker on minimum in a town in Pennsylvania wracked by fentanyl addiction is part of America's privileged elite.
 

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It's interesting to see the Right finally admitting to owning what they dismiss as 'identity politics' when anyone else does it.
 

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It's interesting to see the Right finally admitting to owning what they dismiss as 'identity politics' when anyone else does it.
its hard to miss in fairness, either by design or benign neglect every other identity is to be celebrated and given globs of money and privileges. If the group to be left behind were millionaire white men then fair enough they can look after themselves anyway
 


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