The worldwide anti-abortion trend.

[scolairebocht]

Although it is admittedly a slow process, one thing that is obvious from a look at the way the world is turning is that the pro-life movement is on the up and in time will clearly re-establish worldwide the right of unborn children to live. If you look at developments in the last few decades:

1. Eastern Europe. After the fall of Communism the very high rates and liberal abortion regime that Communism favoured were reversed in most of the countries of the former Soviet block. This is especially true of places like East Germany, the former Yugoslavia and Poland but true enough of virtually all these countries with the notable exceptions though of Russia and the Ukraine.

2. In Russia movement is slow enough it must be conceded but again the direction is clearly in the anti-abortion direction. For example at a recent conference when the Orthodox leader in Russia called abortion their "highest priority" the Russian Health Minister stated that:

"“We understand that our most important common task is the fight against abortion, and we have tried to do a lot together in this direction,” she said. “We have opened 1,500 abortion prevention centers and officers throughout the country, at maternity clinics and wards, and prenatal centers.”

She pointed out that the number of abortions in the country is going down. Over the past five years, abortions have dropped by 25 percent."
( https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/russian-orthodox-leader-the-problem-of-abortion-...-is-our-highest-priority )

3. In Britain, which sets a lot of the trends for Western Europe, it is true that progress is again slow but its also the case that we can the green shoots of recovery here. The recent very forthright comments on the subject by Jacob Rees-Mogg have not gone unnoticed for example. A very erudite man, and some peoples informed choice for the next PM, he advocated the only logical position of no conscious targeted killing of the unborn as opposed to the very rare occasions where attempting to save the life of the mother may, as an unwished for consequence, lead to the loss of the babies life, all measures to save such having been made.
Also here are a few comments from 2015 on the growth of this feeling among the young in the UK:

"The number of young people who are opposed to abortion, or at least worried about it, is growing — this despite the usual hostility from student unions.

Just look at the results of a ComRes survey conducted in April. Asked whether the abortion limit should be halved to 12 weeks, the most likely age group to agree were, by some distance, the 18- to 24-year-olds: 48 per cent said yes, only 26 per cent no.

Most — not all — of the other surveys I have seen show more unease about abortion among young people. Gallup found a similar trend in the US.
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The truth is that people from all political backgrounds are disquieted by Britain’s abortion culture. My own convictions aren’t products of a left-wing or right-wing worldview; it’s just that I’ve never been able to shake the idea that each abortion is a death."
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/08/for-me-and-an-increasing-number-of-young-people-each-abortion-is-a-death/

4. Of course the USA is the stand out country when we are talking about setting worldwide trends and its also obvious that country is moving pretty decisively towards the pro-life position. It was clearly quite a factor in President Trump's election victory and he has proceeded to: reinstate the Mexico City policy that bans the US from promoting abortion outside the US; taken steps to defund Planned Parenthood; and appointed anti-abortion people to all key positions, including the all important Supreme Court ( Catholic Trump Adviser: So Far, He’s Lived Up to His Pro-Life Words | ncregister.com ).

Anyway its clear that across the states of the US the country is on the march against the abortion culture, for example here was the view in Washington DC in February this year:

"Abortion opponents are walking in tall cotton these days.

Congress is poised to stop sending money to the nation’s largest abortion chain and to permanently restrict federal abortion funding. The president nominated to the Supreme Court a committed originalist lauded by pro-life organizations. Roe v. Wade may soon be one vote away from a well-deserved trip to history’s ash heap.

Pro-lifers are as optimistic as they’ve been in a generation."
( Will the pro-life movement be a victim of its own success? | TheHill )

Here is another recap of the current situation from the Business Insider magazine:

"The US abortion rate is at an all-time low.

While the dip is partially due to more women using more effective, long-term birth control, like IUDs, it's also because there are fewer abortion clinics in the United States than there were a decade ago.

In 2008, 851 clinics provided abortions across the US. By 2014, the number had dropped to 788, a 7% decrease. And the stats get even slimmer when you look at state-by-state totals. Five states are down to a single abortion clinic.
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Twenty-five states have enacted Targeted Restrictions on Abortion Providers —or TRAP — laws imposing strict requirements on abortion clinics and providers that the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive rights research group, says "go beyond what is necessary to ensure patients’ safety." Reproductive rights activists also call them "clinic shutdown laws," because they say the laws are often written with the intent of closing abortion clinics in the state.
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Today, roughly 15 out of 1000 women aged 15-44 get an abortion every year, according to data from the Guttmacher Institute, a low stretching back to 1973, when the Supreme Court gave women a constitutional right to safe, legal abortions in Roe v. Wade."
( Here's how many abortion clinics are in each state - Business Insider )

In a lot of US states the abortion clinics are effectively being banned out of existence, in Kentucky, for example, the last abortion clinic will close if they lose a court case currently being decided upon.

So the trend in the trend setter of the US is decidedly anti-abortion as it is worldwide as more and more people realise the simple logic of the greater importance of preserving human life over 'choice'.

 

[Spanner Island]

Please Mods create an abortion forum and keep it off the front page.

 

[blokesbloke]

Well we shall have to see if Ireland bucks this trend.

Have they set a date for this referendum yet? It seems to have been talked about for years.

Eventually people are going to be too bored to vote.

 

[blokesbloke]

Please Mods create an abortion forum and keep it off the front page.

You want an innocent thread which has only just been born to be aborted off the front page?!

Savage!

 

[Sync]

People are drinking less coca-cola. Coca-cola is now available to those who want it in more countries than ever before. People drinking less coca-cola does not jeopardise my right to drink it.

 

[sadmal]

Although it is admittedly a slow process, one thing that is obvious from a look at the way the world is turning is that the pro-life movement is on the up and in time will clearly re-establish worldwide the right of unborn children to live. If you look at developments in the last few decades:

1. Eastern Europe. After the fall of Communism the very high rates and liberal abortion regime that Communism favoured were reversed in most of the countries of the former Soviet block. This is especially true of places like East Germany, the former Yugoslavia and Poland but true enough of virtually all these countries with the notable exceptions though of Russia and the Ukraine.

2. In Russia movement is slow enough it must be conceded but again the direction is clearly in the anti-abortion direction. For example at a recent conference when the Orthodox leader in Russia called abortion their "highest priority" the Russian Health Minister stated that:


3. In Britain, which sets a lot of the trends for Western Europe, it is true that progress is again slow but its also the case that we can the green shoots of recovery here. The recent very forthright comments on the subject by Jacob Rees-Mogg have not gone unnoticed for example. A very erudite man, and some peoples informed choice for the next PM, he advocated the only logical position of no conscious targeted killing of the unborn as opposed to the very rare occasions where attempting to save the life of the mother may, as an unwished for consequence, lead to the loss of the babies life, all measures to save such having been made.
Also here are a few comments from 2015 on the growth of this feeling among the young in the UK:


4. Of course the USA is the stand out country when we are talking about setting worldwide trends and its also obvious that country is moving pretty decisively towards the pro-life position. It was clearly quite a factor in President Trump's election victory and he has proceeded to: reinstate the Mexico City policy that bans the US from promoting abortion outside the US; taken steps to defund Planned Parenthood; and appointed anti-abortion people to all key positions, including the all important Supreme Court ( Catholic Trump Adviser: So Far, He’s Lived Up to His Pro-Life Words | ncregister.com ).

Anyway its clear that across the states of the US the country is on the march against the abortion culture, for example here was the view in Washington DC in February this year:

Here is another recap of the current situation from the Business Insider magazine:

In a lot of US states the abortion clinics are effectively being banned out of existence, in Kentucky, for example the last abortion clinic will close if they lose a court case currently being decided upon.

So the trend in the trend setter of the US is decidedly anti-abortion as it is worldwide as more and more people realise the simple logic of the greater importance of preserving human life over 'choice'.

All the countries quoted are not anti-abortion because they care about the unborn, it's simply a reflection of the rise of the Right especially in the US

 

[Breeal]

Although it is admittedly a slow process, one thing that is obvious from a look at the way the world is turning is that the pro-life movement is on the up and in time will clearly re-establish worldwide the right of unborn children to live. If you look at developments in the last few decades:

1. Eastern Europe. After the fall of Communism the very high rates and liberal abortion regime that Communism favoured were reversed in most of the countries of the former Soviet block. This is especially true of places like East Germany, the former Yugoslavia and Poland but true enough of virtually all these countries with the notable exceptions though of Russia and the Ukraine.

2. In Russia movement is slow enough it must be conceded but again the direction is clearly in the anti-abortion direction. For example at a recent conference when the Orthodox leader in Russia called abortion their "highest priority" the Russian Health Minister stated that:


3. In Britain, which sets a lot of the trends for Western Europe, it is true that progress is again slow but its also the case that we can the green shoots of recovery here. The recent very forthright comments on the subject by Jacob Rees-Mogg have not gone unnoticed for example. A very erudite man, and some peoples informed choice for the next PM, he advocated the only logical position of no conscious targeted killing of the unborn as opposed to the very rare occasions where attempting to save the life of the mother may, as an unwished for consequence, lead to the loss of the babies life, all measures to save such having been made.
Also here are a few comments from 2015 on the growth of this feeling among the young in the UK:


4. Of course the USA is the stand out country when we are talking about setting worldwide trends and its also obvious that country is moving pretty decisively towards the pro-life position. It was clearly quite a factor in President Trump's election victory and he has proceeded to: reinstate the Mexico City policy that bans the US from promoting abortion outside the US; taken steps to defund Planned Parenthood; and appointed anti-abortion people to all key positions, including the all important Supreme Court ( Catholic Trump Adviser: So Far, He’s Lived Up to His Pro-Life Words | ncregister.com ).

Anyway its clear that across the states of the US the country is on the march against the abortion culture, for example here was the view in Washington DC in February this year:

Here is another recap of the current situation from the Business Insider magazine:

In a lot of US states the abortion clinics are effectively being banned out of existence, in Kentucky, for example the last abortion clinic will close if they lose a court case currently being decided upon.

So the trend in the trend setter of the US is decidedly anti-abortion as it is worldwide as more and more people realise the simple logic of the greater importance of preserving human life over 'choice'.

Good post, it's a very emotive subject obviously, the statistics you present gives me hope in the upcoming referendum, our media is paralyzed by political correctness and somehow the killing of children has become politically correct, in any media debate on the subject pro-life advocates are generally portrayed as the backward religious type, maybe if the world view swings towards pro-life it will force our media to present the people with balanced coverage.

 

[hollandia]

People are drinking less coca-cola. Coca-cola is now available to those who want it in more countries than ever before. People drinking less coca-cola does not jeopardise my right to drink it.

That's not what the bible says. Or something.

 

[blokesbloke]

People are drinking less coca-cola. Coca-cola is now available to those who want it in more countries than ever before. People drinking less coca-cola does not jeopardise my right to drink it.

It does if the Coca Cola has to die for you to drink it.

 

[Deleted member 17573]

It does if the Coca Cola has to die for you to drink it.

Or if there is a trend that ultimately leads to the business no longer being highly profitable, in which case the producers will switch to an alternative line of business.

 

[Munnkeyman]

The worldwide trend is actually fairly flat since 1995.

See here - http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)30380-4/abstract

Interpretation

Abortion rates have declined significantly since 1990 in the developed world but not in the developing world. Ensuring access to sexual and reproductive health care could help millions of women avoid unintended pregnancies and ensure access to safe abortion.

Percent of pregnancies ending in abortion, by geographical area and time period

Global and regional abortion incidence rate estimates (per 1000 women aged 15–44 years), 1990–94 to 2010–14
Shaded areas are 90% uncertainty intervals.

 

[Lord Talbot]

Trends in Africa and Asia have little bearing on the developed world.

 

[Sync]

It's a fundamental mistake to believe that higher abortions means pro-choice people will be happy and lower abortions means pro-choice people will be unhappy. There isn't a number that these action groups are targeting. They're targeting the right to make a decision.

When countries start BANNING abortion, then it's a trend that things are moving in the other direction. But that's not happening. More country's than ever before have legalised it to some extent or another.

 

[hoipolloi]

Although it is admittedly a slow process, one thing that is obvious from a look at the way the world is turning is that the pro-life movement is on the up and in time will clearly re-establish worldwide the right of unborn children to live. If you look at developments in the last few decades:

1. Eastern Europe. After the fall of Communism the very high rates and liberal abortion regime that Communism favoured were reversed in most of the countries of the former Soviet block. This is especially true of places like East Germany, the former Yugoslavia and Poland but true enough of virtually all these countries with the notable exceptions though of Russia and the Ukraine.

2. In Russia movement is slow enough it must be conceded but again the direction is clearly in the anti-abortion direction. For example at a recent conference when the Orthodox leader in Russia called abortion their "highest priority" the Russian Health Minister stated that:


3. In Britain, which sets a lot of the trends for Western Europe, it is true that progress is again slow but its also the case that we can the green shoots of recovery here. The recent very forthright comments on the subject by Jacob Rees-Mogg have not gone unnoticed for example. A very erudite man, and some peoples informed choice for the next PM, he advocated the only logical position of no conscious targeted killing of the unborn as opposed to the very rare occasions where attempting to save the life of the mother may, as an unwished for consequence, lead to the loss of the babies life, all measures to save such having been made.
Also here are a few comments from 2015 on the growth of this feeling among the young in the UK:


4. Of course the USA is the stand out country when we are talking about setting worldwide trends and its also obvious that country is moving pretty decisively towards the pro-life position. It was clearly quite a factor in President Trump's election victory and he has proceeded to: reinstate the Mexico City policy that bans the US from promoting abortion outside the US; taken steps to defund Planned Parenthood; and appointed anti-abortion people to all key positions, including the all important Supreme Court ( Catholic Trump Adviser: So Far, He’s Lived Up to His Pro-Life Words | ncregister.com ).

Anyway its clear that across the states of the US the country is on the march against the abortion culture, for example here was the view in Washington DC in February this year:

Here is another recap of the current situation from the Business Insider magazine:

In a lot of US states the abortion clinics are effectively being banned out of existence, in Kentucky, for example the last abortion clinic will close if they lose a court case currently being decided upon.

So the trend in the trend setter of the US is decidedly anti-abortion as it is worldwide as more and more people realise the simple logic of the greater importance of preserving human life over 'choice'.

All very interesting …

Have you done an in-depth investigation on the supports advocated and pursued by these same groups for single mothers? I don’t think there’s any mention of this in the above.

The only mention of single mothers I’ve come across on any site here has been in a derogatory way. In the past the church went to extraordinary lengths to prevent women travelling abroad to have an abortion, and then, when the child was born, they left the mother to fend for herself. In these “enlightened” times, there is very little concern for the welfare of single mothers from people visiting these sites, where the discussion is anti-abortion.

I am profoundly affected by the venom expressed towards people who opt for abortion. You don’t have to be pro-abortion to understand the dilemma a person faces who has an unwanted pregnancy.

Until you can stand in the shoes of a person who has to make such a devastating decision, I feel we should all try to understand how they’ve arrived at such a harrowing decision.

 

[Breeal]

All very interesting …

Have you done an in-depth investigation on the supports advocated and pursued by these same groups for single mothers? I don’t think there’s any mention of this in the above.

The only mention of single mothers I’ve come across on any site here has been in a derogatory way. In the past the church went to extraordinary lengths to prevent women travelling abroad to have an abortion, and then, when the child was born, they left the mother to fend for herself. In these “enlightened” times, there is very little concern for the welfare of single mothers from people visiting these sites, where the discussion is anti-abortion.

I am profoundly affected by the venom expressed towards people who opt for abortion. You don’t have to be pro-abortion to understand the dilemma a person faces who has an unwanted pregnancy.

Until you can stand in the shoes of a person who has to make such a devastating decision, I feel we should all try to understand how they’ve arrived at such a harrowing decision.

And have you ever tried to 'stand in the shoes' of the child being killed?

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[Sync]

And have you ever tried to 'stand in the shoes' of the child being killed?

Too small.

 

[slysnara]

All very interesting …

Have you done an in-depth investigation on the supports advocated and pursued by these same groups for single mothers? I don’t think there’s any mention of this in the above.

The only mention of single mothers I’ve come across on any site here has been in a derogatory way. In the past the church went to extraordinary lengths to prevent women travelling abroad to have an abortion, and then, when the child was born, they left the mother to fend for herself. In these “enlightened” times, there is very little concern for the welfare of single mothers from people visiting these sites, where the discussion is anti-abortion.

I am profoundly affected by the venom expressed towards people who opt for abortion. You don’t have to be pro-abortion to understand the dilemma a person faces who has an unwanted pregnancy.

Until you can stand in the shoes of a person who has to make such a devastating decision, I feel we should all try to understand how they’ve arrived at such a harrowing decision.

When dealing with the particular topics, I put myself in the shoes of someone who commits a robbery; who joins a paramilitary group; who engages in corruption; who commits fraud etc.

That doesn't mean I would justify what they do.

 

[slysnara]

It was only in the early '90's that you could buy condoms from a vending machine in Ireland and if a woman went to her GP to get the pill he/she could refuse to give it if they felt like it, it's easy to forget that. It is because we now have easy access to contraception and emergency contraception that the number of women in Ireland are seeking abortions. There will always be a need for abortion and women in Ireland will always continue to seek abortions.

People will always continue to seek many things; the question is whether or not those acts are justified.

I don't believe that my mother should've had the right to choose when I was in the womb; I would be a massive hypocrite then to say that my mother shouldn't have had the right to abort me but that other women should be allowed to abort their babies. My life in the womb was not worth more than the lives of the unborn today; my life was worth precisely the same as theirs is now, no more, no less.

 

[blokesbloke]

And have you ever tried to 'stand in the shoes' of the child being killed?

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Foetuses don't wear shoes.

 

[Emily Davison]

Although it is admittedly a slow process, one thing that is obvious from a look at the way the world is turning is that the pro-life movement is on the up and in time will clearly re-establish worldwide the right of unborn children to live. If you look at developments in the last few decades:

1. Eastern Europe. After the fall of Communism the very high rates and liberal abortion regime that Communism favoured were reversed in most of the countries of the former Soviet block. This is especially true of places like East Germany, the former Yugoslavia and Poland but true enough of virtually all these countries with the notable exceptions though of Russia and the Ukraine.

2. In Russia movement is slow enough it must be conceded but again the direction is clearly in the anti-abortion direction. For example at a recent conference when the Orthodox leader in Russia called abortion their "highest priority" the Russian Health Minister stated that:


3. In Britain, which sets a lot of the trends for Western Europe, it is true that progress is again slow but its also the case that we can the green shoots of recovery here. The recent very forthright comments on the subject by Jacob Rees-Mogg have not gone unnoticed for example. A very erudite man, and some peoples informed choice for the next PM, he advocated the only logical position of no conscious targeted killing of the unborn as opposed to the very rare occasions where attempting to save the life of the mother may, as an unwished for consequence, lead to the loss of the babies life, all measures to save such having been made.
Also here are a few comments from 2015 on the growth of this feeling among the young in the UK:


4. Of course the USA is the stand out country when we are talking about setting worldwide trends and its also obvious that country is moving pretty decisively towards the pro-life position. It was clearly quite a factor in President Trump's election victory and he has proceeded to: reinstate the Mexico City policy that bans the US from promoting abortion outside the US; taken steps to defund Planned Parenthood; and appointed anti-abortion people to all key positions, including the all important Supreme Court ( Catholic Trump Adviser: So Far, He’s Lived Up to His Pro-Life Words | ncregister.com ).

Anyway its clear that across the states of the US the country is on the march against the abortion culture, for example here was the view in Washington DC in February this year:

Here is another recap of the current situation from the Business Insider magazine:

In a lot of US states the abortion clinics are effectively being banned out of existence, in Kentucky, for example the last abortion clinic will close if they lose a court case currently being decided upon.

So the trend in the trend setter of the US is decidedly anti-abortion as it is worldwide as more and more people realise the simple logic of the greater importance of preserving human life over 'choice'.

Honestly this must go down as one of the most stupid thread starters ever.