This day in Irish History 40 years ago - 7 April 1973 The death of Archbishop Charles John McQuaid

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It is said that when he reached the cannonical age for retirement he put in his resignation letter to the Pope, in the usual manner, with the usual expectation that it would be refused, pro-tem and he would go on governing until such time, usually a few years, that his replacement was chosen and appointed.

It appears he got acceptance of his resignation, such was Pope Paul's anoyance with his total refusal to make any concesson to the events of Vatican II, by return post. It's reported that he was most discombobulated.
 


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We both know that is untrue Rosie .... and he should have met the same end as Monsignor Tiso for his crimes.
No, we both don't know that. Your continuing to comparatively tie him with Tiso is beneath contempt.
 

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THe Mother and Child Scheme 1950-51

The Archbishop's dispute with Dr Noel Browne regarding the Mother and Child scheme is possibly his most controversial legacy. However many of Dr Browne's former colleagues or admirers are no longer so keen on admiring him:
John Charles McQuaid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In his memoirs published in October 2000, former Minister for Health [1982-87], Barry Desmond launched a strong attack on his former Labour Party colleague, Dr Noel Browne, accusing him of "shamefully" destroying records in the Department of Health to bolster his own political image. Desmond wrote that Noel Browne, a political icon for many, fostered divisions in Irish politics and "led young political radicals on his ego merry-go-round".

In his book 'Finally and In Conclusion', Barry Desmond described Noel Browne as having a "semi-persecuted presence" and said that he was "quite incapable of consistent loyalty to the democratically elected executive of any of the parties he joined." Desmond said that Browne's own memoir, 'Against the Tide' (published in 1986), was "a poisonous denigration of some 90 persons he had come across in his career". He also laid the blame for the collapse of the Mother and Child Scheme with Browne, saying he missed 80 of the 261 cabinet meetings held during his term as Minister for Health.[29]

In 2005 "That Day's Struggle" a memoir by Sean MacBride was finally published. MacBride who died in 1988, had been the leader of Clann na Poblachta, the party to which Noel Browne belonged, when both of them were Ministers in the Inter-Party Government led by John A. Costello. In his memoir, MacBride gives a description of his party colleague that has much in common with that provided by Barry Desmond. He depicts Browne as a destructive, inefficient, irresponsible and childish politician who was bent on fighting with the Catholic Church and bringing down the government of which he was a minister.

Sean MacBride claims that Noel Browne, who was appointed Minister for Health on his first day as a TD in 1948, orchestrated "a systematic effort to pick a row with the bishops" over his Mother and Child Scheme. "He did say . . . 'if I can really pick a row with the Irish hierarchy, I'll be made.'" He also says Browne wouldn't attend cabinet meetings, claiming they were a waste of time. He "manoeuvred himself" into becoming a martyr and because of his "irresponsible" handling of the issue, the Mother and Child scheme failed. MacBride concluded that Noel Browne "definitely decided to bring down the government" and his aim was also to wreck the party of which he was then a senior figure. McBride is not a neutral commentator on Browne; he was a leading member of the government that folded under pressure from the bishops owing to their opposition to the "Mother & Child" scheme.

The fallout from divisions in government did eventually lead to the fall of the inter-party government in 1951. It also led to the demise of Clann na Poblachta
 

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Another little vignette. I once heard a churchman, who would have known him back in the day, say, in the midst of come putative financial scandal surrounding McQuaid, that he could not imagine McQuaid misusing church money but he could well imagine him abusing boys. Take what you will from that.
 

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And as to WHY his former admirers lost confidence in Dr Noel Browne, the following further quotation from Wikipedia may explain:

An unpublished essay by Dr Browne was the main source of John Cooney's allegations (in 1999) that Archbishop McQuaid was a paedophile. It was not the only potentially libelous manuscript penned by Browne. In "Passionate Outsider", John Horgan's[31] biography of Dr Browne published in 2000, Horgan revealed that the PUBLISHED version of Browne's memoir "Against the Tide" did not tell the full story: "No version of the original text is extant but notes of the editing process, contain among other things lists of people who might be expected to sue for libel if Noel Browne's comments about them were published. They included as might be expected Sean McBride, Barry Desmond, May and Justin Keating (two pages about Justin Keating were eventually excised), C.J. Charles Haughey, Garret Fitzgerald and Daniel Morrissey "

DR. Noel Browne hated EVERYBODY - not just his "reactionary" opponents.
 

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Another little vignette. I once heard a churchman, who would have known him back in the day, say, in the midst of come putative financial scandal surrounding McQuaid, that he could not imagine McQuaid misusing church money but he could well imagine him abusing boys. Take what you will from that.
In 1994 the UK Guardian published an article claiming that an unnamed Irish Bishop was in a paedophile ring. They thought they could not be sued but the wording left them open to a class libel suit from the Conference of Bishops and they were forced to apologise. The Irish Times (our "paper of record") all but ignored the scandal but Sam Smyth published a detailed article in the Sunday Independent which pointed out that the source of the libel was a priest.
Bishop John Magee, Cloyne, The Guardian (UK), False Allegations, Child Abuse, Paedophile Ring

.... The source of the information on which the 'bishop and paedophile ring' allegation was made is understood to be a priest.

According to research, it would not be surprising if there was one homosexual among any 30 men, although there is not one iota of evidence to suggest that there is a gay Irish bishop. But all the rumours circulated to suggest that there is a practising homosexual among the Irish Catholic hierarchy have proved to be false - and there might well have been malice in the manufacturing of them.


I know the identity of the priest accuser and he has VERY liberal views on sex and courageously dissents from Catholic orthodoxy. Since he libelled a living person, I would not be surprised if he also told lies about the late Archbishop McQuaid.
 

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people may denigrate mcquaid but lets be honest here most irish politicians were too spineless to take on the catholic church when they were running the country. He was a man of the times in the 40's and 50's.
 

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The details are hazy but I think McQuaid's issue was that he denounced Yugoslavia for allegedly presecuting the Catholic Church and putting them into prison etc. But in truth the Yugoslavian Govt had only inprisioned Catholic clerics who had supported the Croatian Ustaša fascist movement which carried out tens of thousands of atrocites against civilians.

Unlike the Yugo Communists of course!:D
 

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In 2005 "That Day's Struggle" a memoir by Sean MacBride was finally published. MacBride who died in 1988, had been the leader of Clann na Poblachta, the party to which Noel Browne belonged, when both of them were Ministers in the Inter-Party Government led by John A. Costello. In his memoir, MacBride gives a description of his party colleague that has much in common with that provided by Barry Desmond. He depicts Browne as a destructive, inefficient, irresponsible and childish politician who was bent on fighting with the Catholic Church and bringing down the government of which he was a minister.


That the loathsome MacBride slagged Browne hardly helps your case ......
 

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A complex man - like de Valera, the more you read about him the more difficult it is to sum him up. I don't think he was treated well by the Vatican.
Indeed - he was human like the rest of us - warts and all...
 

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Its funny that every person that I know who has brought up the Yugoslavia thing supported boycotting Apartheid South Africa. One has to really wonder about the moral compass of the left sometimes.
I believe the late Archbishop was one of the earliest supporters of boycotting the Apartheid Regime in South Africa

- but keep that one quite in case they get to hear about it on Indymedia

It will only confuse them further....:oops:
 

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Another little vignette. I once heard a churchman, who would have known him back in the day, say, in the midst of come putative financial scandal surrounding McQuaid, that he could not imagine McQuaid misusing church money but he could well imagine him abusing boys. Take what you will from that.
Nothing - because it is tittle tattle...
 
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Another little vignette. I once heard a churchman, who would have known him back in the day, say, in the midst of come putative financial scandal surrounding McQuaid, that he could not imagine McQuaid misusing church money but he could well imagine him abusing boys. Take what you will from that.
And let's say that he never did. What would that make that cleric in saying that, or you in posting that?
 

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people may denigrate mcquaid but lets be honest here most irish politicians were too spineless to take on the catholic church when they were running the country. He was a man of the times in the 40's and 50's.
Indeed - if he had died in 1948 instead of 1973 he would not be remembered at all today
 


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