This Form is moribund... just like the Labour party

Boss Croker

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So many issues and opportunities to champion - homelessness, housing, privatisation, health waiting lists, social welfare etc - but not a peep out of them.
 


wombat

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Why would any serious Labour party activist subject themselves to the pointless personal abuse that passes for debate on P.ie?
 

TheWolf

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Why would any serious Labour party activist subject themselves to the pointless personal abuse that passes for debate on P.ie?
Yes, champagne socialists like the 'labour' party aren't to be questioned.....
 

wombat

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Yes, champagne socialists like the 'labour' party aren't to be questioned.....
I will always question them but without the bile they attract here.
 

gatsbygirl20

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Why would any serious Labour party activist subject themselves to the pointless personal abuse that passes for debate on P.ie?
Withdrawal symptoms.

Since the Labour party got wiped out and are no longer in Government, certain posters miss them and are trying to flog a dead horse, so to speak

They are nostalgic for the good old days of screaming abuse at "scum Liebour", etc
 

TheWolf

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I will always question them but without the bile they attract here.
Meh, they're irrelevant in modern Ireland in any case.
Mouths like AK47 are all they've left now...
 

RadicalJacobin

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Labour have seriously lost their way, far from being larkinites and leftists they've become scabs and leeches. They have a rather bleak future unless they have some sort of internal revolution in their ranks and produce a Corbyn-type leader. It's sad really, a party with some of the greatest Irishmen as founders like Connolly and Larkin and all they can do is serve as FG's mudguard.
 

TheWolf

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Labour have seriously lost their way, far from being larkinites and leftists they've become scabs and leeches. They have a rather bleak future unless they have some sort of internal revolution in their ranks and produce a Corbyn-type leader. It's sad really, a party with some of the greatest Irishmen as founders like Connolly and Larkin and all they can do is serve as FG's mudguard.
'Labour' have been FFG's mudguard for decades now....it suits them.
 

RadicalJacobin

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'Labour' have been FFG's mudguard for decades now....it suits them.
The ironic thing of course is that this mudguard stuff is exactly what stopped them from being an alternative government. Imagine if they had of actually stuck to their principles, we could easily have a solid left-wing force in Ireland and have a true alternative to FFG. But No the lure of pensions and perks was too much. What a shame!
 

Mad as Fish

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So many issues and opportunities to champion - homelessness, housing, privatisation, health waiting lists, social welfare etc - but not a peep out of them.
Part of the reason is that there is no intellectual base to the party, there is nobody who thinks about things beyond maintaining the status quo or just jobbing along with what they think to be the zeitgeist. The classic example is the whole digital thing, be it autonomous vehicles or the intended massive and frighteningly dangerous ID database. The response seems to be no more than 'it's gotta be good 'cos it's technology innit'. Not an iota of independent thought about the consequences of whatever it is that big IT corps are telling them, and the same thickheadedness applies to pretty much all the issues you list. Basically they haven't got a plan because they haven't got any principles.
 

shiel

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So many issues and opportunities to champion - homelessness, housing, privatisation, health waiting lists, social welfare etc - but not a peep out of them.
The present homelessness, housing, privatisation, health waiting lists, social welfare etc problems were caused by the people who were in government, financial institutions etc having their arses licked by the Irish media during the pre 2009 period.

Those people bankrupted the country.

They caused the conditions which made it necessary to get a 85bn bailout by the EU and the IMF.
 

SuirView

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The ironic thing of course is that this mudguard stuff is exactly what stopped them from being an alternative government. Imagine if they had of actually stuck to their principles, we could easily have a solid left-wing force in Ireland and have a true alternative to FFG. But No the lure of pensions and perks was too much. What a shame!
Tell on.
What parties do you believe would make up this "solid left-wing force"?
 

Dearghoul

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The ironic thing of course is that this mudguard stuff is exactly what stopped them from being an alternative government. Imagine if they had of actually stuck to their principles, we could easily have a solid left-wing force in Ireland and have a true alternative to FFG. But No the lure of pensions and perks was too much. What a shame!
The pensions and perks agenda was mainly to the benefit of, and at the instigation of, a small number of Sticky entrists, in fairness.

That the Labour party membership didn't spot this makes their party too naive to be forming coalitions with the other two dark forces on our behalf (Mar Dhea).
 

PeaceGoalie

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Meh, they're irrelevant in modern Ireland in any case.
Mouths like AK47 are all they've left now...
They're still running Montrose, they're still running the PS, they're still running the Courts, the Quangos, the Charities.
You answered the above idiot well. Don't forget all the right wing Labour idiots in the trade union movement, things like Ivan Bacik dug in in Trinity and the Seadad etc

Part of the reason is that there is no intellectual base to the party, there is nobody who thinks about things beyond maintaining the status quo or just jobbing along with what they think to be the zeitgeist. The classic example is the whole digital thing, be it autonomous vehicles or the intended massive and frighteningly dangerous ID database. The response seems to be no more than 'it's gotta be good 'cos it's technology innit'. Not an iota of independent thought about the consequences of whatever it is that big IT corps are telling them, and the same thickheadedness applies to pretty much all the issues you list. Basically they haven't got a plan because they haven't got any principles.
The pensions and perks agenda was mainly to the benefit of, and at the instigation of, a small number of Sticky entrists, in fairness.

That the Labour party membership didn't spot this makes their party too naive to be forming coalitions with the other two dark forces on our behalf (Mar Dhea).
Excellent thoughtful post. The OIRA yobs like the PIRA yobs once beleived in something, no or were they always on the make...........like Dick Spring?
 

shiel

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The ironic thing of course is that this mudguard stuff is exactly what stopped them from being an alternative government. Imagine if they had of actually stuck to their principles, we could easily have a solid left-wing force in Ireland and have a true alternative to FFG. But No the lure of pensions and perks was too much. What a shame!
The real irony is that the pre-2009 government would be still there having their arses licked by the Irish media but for the fact that they bankrupt the country.

The present homelessness, housing, privatisation, health waiting lists, social welfare etc problems were caused by the people who were in government, financial institutions etc having their arses licked by the Irish media during the pre 2009 period.

Those people bankrupted the country.

They caused the conditions which made it necessary to get a 85bn bailout by the EU and the IMF in 2010.

The left wing would be nowhere if that had not happened.
 


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