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This government has no mandate & I'm ready to be Taoiseach - Kenny


garlandgreen

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Speaking on national radio this afternoon, Enda Kenny has reiterated that he is ready to be Taoiseach whenever the oppourtunity arises. He also said that the government had no mandate to govern in the current circumstances and that Fianna Fail were 80% to blame for the current mess.

Considering FG has been ahead of FF on mmost issues over the last 20 months, most recently calling for Anglo to be nationalised and then 24 hours later FF do exactly what FG called for.

It is no way govern, they are clueless and irrelevant.

Enda Kenny is fit and ready to be our next Taoiseach and his team are ready to make up the rest of the government.

Kenny 'ready to be Taoiseach' | BreakingNews.ie
Kenny 'ready to be Taoiseach' | BreakingNews.ie
Yes right after you replace Pinnochio as leader
 

ibis

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Alas, the government's competence is irrelevant - they do have a mandate, and Kenny doesn't. Otherwise, we'd be talking about a failure to respect the decision of the electorate, and we wouldn't want that, now would we?
 

rjh

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jesus what a load of bullsh1t

Look - I'm as pissed off as anyone with the current gobsh1tes running the country - but the fact is that current governemnt won a majority in dail Eireann - FF 78 - Green 6 - PD(ex) - 2 - chuck in the independents (one of which since joined FF) and there you have it - what is known throughout the world as a democratic mandate

Kenny came close but he lost. Blueshirts are really, really bad losers but as George Hook told them recently they need to stop being bad losers. Ahern beat Kenny - end of story. He could never beat Ahern adn he never will

Now he needs to stop this delusional sh1te and think up ideas about how to get out of the current mess like Dukes did back in 87. If he does that people will respect him instead of seeing him as a cynical political opportunist unable to accept defeat.

Kenny's complete and utter inability to admit he lost the last general elction is the source of these nonsensical statements

Bit like Gilmore last week calling for a GE

Should we have a general election every year until FG/Lab actuallly manage to win one?

The blueshirts need to stop their pathetic posturing and cop themsleves on
 

Corcaigh33

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The government was elected i.e. they have a mandate. Maybe someone should explain basic political concepts to Enda Kenny. This government may have many problems, may have lost all touch with the electorate but that's not what Kenny apparently said. It is this lack of ability to be concise, direct and accurate which reinforces the idea that he may be a superb public representative but Taoiseach material he is not.
 

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Alas, the government's competence is irrelevant - they do have a mandate, and Kenny doesn't. Otherwise, we'd be talking about a failure to respect the decision of the electorate, and we wouldn't want that, now would we?
yup, this was up there with martins comments about the "undemocratic" nature of the no result on lisbon.

what ever else you can say about it , it is a democractic result, and biffo does have the mandate to govern.

i want FF out as much as the next guy but lately politicians across the board are coming out with some unbelievable twaddle. somebody should coach enda that is not their mandate he should be attacking, its their competance and actions.

both of which seem to be non existant.
 

kellsangel

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There is a limit to the 2007 mandate

There is a limit to the 2007 mandate

Mr Cowen promised competent economic management which he is not delivering.

The foundations he laid under the economy as Minister for finance have crumbled.

The basis on which Fianna Fail build the economy over three terms of Government has proved to be the rock on which our economy is now imploding.

The institutions of the country some of which had a history of success for over 200 years are on the brink of bankruptcy.

Our Taoiseach never set his candidacy before the electorate other than as TD and has not set out any programme for recovery let alone to set such before the people.

The people will pronounce on this Government in June if the country is still in business by then.

Our National Broadcaster mock the cabinet each week as the "drinks Cabinet" implying a serious drink problem within.

One of the coalition partners has imploded and ceased to be.

Meanwhile those from whom the State must borrow all of the money required to pay the public service look on at the circus with raised eyebrows and a premonition of certain doom.

How long can it last.?
 

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jesus what a load of bullsh1t

Look - I'm as pissed off as anyone with the current gobsh1tes running the country - but the fact is that current governemnt won a majority in dail Eireann - FF 78 - Green 6 - PD(ex) - 2 - chuck in the independents (one of which since joined FF) and there you have it - what is known throughout the world as a democratic mandate

Kenny came close but he lost. Blueshirts are really, really bad losers but as George Hook told them recently they need to stop being bad losers. Ahern beat Kenny - end of story. He could never beat Ahern adn he never will

Now he needs to stop this delusional sh1te and think up ideas about how to get out of the current mess like Dukes did back in 87. If he does that people will respect him instead of seeing him as a cynical political opportunist unable to accept defeat.

Kenny's complete and utter inability to admit he lost the last general elction is the source of these nonsensical statements

Bit like Gilmore last week calling for a GE

Should we have a general election every year until FG/Lab actuallly manage to win one?

The blueshirts need to stop their pathetic posturing and cop themsleves on
Hook said the opposition that FG were good losers and need to start being bad losers because bad losers become winners. Good losers stay good losers.
 

garlandgreen

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Why exactly was Cowen heir presumptive to Aherne anyway? Besides touring one department to another without making any memorable impact what has he ever actually done?
 

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ff, labour, greens and pds (and even sf if you count the north) have all gone into government after elections in the last 17 years. So i suppose Kenny is an expert to talk about not having mandates - his party's last one was 1982!
An election now would be at best a distraction and at worst a disaster as every interest group will make their demands. If if thinks the FG has led over the last few years perhaps he should sit back and enjoy power without responsibily.
 

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NEWSFLASH Enda Kenny says yet again he wants to be Taoiseach. Shock horror! Do we really need another thread whenever he makes such a statement?

Look there was an election, FG didn't gain enough seats to form a government, live with it. You'll have another chance in a few years.
 

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There is a limit to the 2007 mandate
2014 according to the Constitution


Mr Cowen promised competent economic management which he is not delivering.
The Global Banking System has collapsed. It is very hard to provide "competent economic management" if nobody is buying anything and your revenue streams have dried up.
 

W..R.H

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NEWSFLASH Enda Kenny says yet again he wants to be Taoiseach. Shock horror! Do we really need another thread whenever he makes such a statement?

Look there was an election, FG didn't gain enough seats to form a government, live with it. You'll have another chance in a few years.
Do you really believe that? I certainly don't and I am surprised that some people still do. Perhaps it will take the governments mini-budget to change people's opinions. The way it's going, with the shocking performance of the government in the last while, their mandate will disolve, 1 year tops I reckon.
They're on borrowed time.



The mandate given to the government was given on a number of pretences.
You have to remember a lot of stuff that didn't exactly make the FF party Knights in shiny armour came to pass after the public had gone to the elections.
Also, the government's performance and overall attitude is shocking.
It's a wait-and see one, almost as if they thing, ah we're guaranteed another 5 years, so we'll get away with it. It's this arrogance that will get them kicked out. The world finances obviously was one pre-cursor to the downturn, but what the government is doing is adding fuel to the fire.
The fuel needs to be taken away from them before it's late

Edit:provided that the government lives out its full term, their mandate runs out in 2012
 

baldur0300

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Do you really believe that? I certainly don't and I am surprised that some people still do. Perhaps it will take the governments mini-budget to change people's opinions. The way it's going, with the shocking performance of the government in the last while, their mandate will disolve, 1 year tops I reckon.
They're on borrowed time.
One simple question, how? How will the government collapse. You've already stated the reasons why the public is angry with the government parties, thus why would the government parties want an election? Why would anybody abandon ship in such circumstances?

Edit:provided that the government lives out its full term, their mandate runs out in 2012
Constitutionally SPN is right. It's a 7 year term but under legislation this was reduced to 5 years. I couldn't see this changing SPN ...... well ..... hmmmm ....... ;)
 

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The world finances obviously was one pre-cursor to the downturn, but what the government is doing is adding fuel to the fire.
The fuel needs to be taken away from them before it's late.
Firstly, the Constitution says that there must be an election in 2014. There is no reason why the current Dail cannot sit until then.

Secondly, the current Government has made better decisions than the US and UK Governments in its dealings with collapsing Banks. What decisions would you suggest they should have made differently, and why?

Thirdly, and this is critical, the possibility of Labour getting anywhere near the Cabinet Table before the global economy comes out the other side of this crisis must be resisted at all costs. Not only to they not have a clue (in common with most politicians in most Countries - nobody knows what to do at the moment), but they are actively proposing to bankrupt the country in order to pay the wages of public servants at pre-deflation rates.

Your grandchildren will end up paying the bill if Labour get anywhere near Government.
 

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Cowen does not have a mandate to lead the country, that is the point Kenny was making. I think everyone on this site agrees that if an election was called next week, and Labour did a deal with FG after the votes were counted, Kenny would be taoiseach.
 

yehbut_nobut

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Firstly, the Constitution says that there must be an election in 2014. There is no reason why the current Dail cannot sit until then.

Wrong, there is: The 1992 electoral act, Section 33, “The same Dáil shall not continue for a longer period than five years from the date of its first meeting”.
 

adamirer

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jesus what a load of bullsh1t

Look - I'm as pissed off as anyone with the current gobsh1tes running the country - but the fact is that current governemnt won a majority in dail Eireann - FF 78 - Green 6 - PD(ex) - 2 - chuck in the independents (one of which since joined FF) and there you have it - what is known throughout the world as a democratic mandate

Kenny came close but he lost. Blueshirts are really, really bad losers but as George Hook told them recently they need to stop being bad losers. Ahern beat Kenny - end of story. He could never beat Ahern adn he never will

Now he needs to stop this delusional sh1te and think up ideas about how to get out of the current mess like Dukes did back in 87. If he does that people will respect him instead of seeing him as a cynical political opportunist unable to accept defeat.

Kenny's complete and utter inability to admit he lost the last general elction is the source of these nonsensical statements

Bit like Gilmore last week calling for a GE

Should we have a general election every year until FG/Lab actuallly manage to win one?

The blueshirts need to stop their pathetic posturing and cop themsleves on
Ok, the silliness going on about blueshirts really hasn't gotten old... seriously, grow up on that one. Do you refer to germans as nazi's on the basis of one leader 80 years ago???

Further, FF under Ahern had a mandate, its dubious if FF under Cowen would have had the same. People did not vote green to put FF in power.

Finally, and here's the real point, if Kenny WASN'T saying the above then you'd be lambasting him for lack of effort. There are two styles of leader - the captain and the chief. Ahern/Cowen are very much the chief, Kenny is a captain.

I personally find it refreshing to see someone managing a TEAM of people towards a common goal rather than one person dictating what happens. Just like John Bruton who was similarly pilloried, the skills to be a party leader in the media era are not the same as the skills required to be Taoiseach.

It's a sad reflection on western societies of late that we focus on the media skills of our leaders rather than their abilities to do the job they are applying for. It's akin to who argues best in the boardroom of the apprentice rather than who actually performs.

The flaws of Ahern and co over the past decade were fairly clear for all to see, were raised at the last election. 'You' chose to ignore it and vote Ahern/FF and its amusing to see the Sindo and others suddenly turn on those responsible and/or taking cheap shots at those who didnt get us into this mess (FG/Lab/SF/Public Service) rather than those that did (FF/PDs/Banks/Sycophantic media - INM)
 

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Cowen does not have a mandate to lead the country, that is the point Kenny was making. I think everyone on this site agrees that if an election was called next week, and Labour did a deal with FG after the votes were counted, Kenny would be taoiseach.
The only mandate he needs is 84 TDs to vote for him, and they did that last year.

Barring a vote of no-confidence succeeding, he has all the mandate he requires.
 
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