This Southern Catholic agrees with DUP stance on Irish Language

Spirit Of Newgrange

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Ok, before i begin the rant. Just to clarify a few points on my own identity. I am a Southern Catholic, and a proud athiest. My republican credentials are as good as the next fella. Great-Grandad fought the black&tans. I did a couple of stints in the Gaeltacht. Passed Leaving Cert irish, barely...but passed nonetheless. Generally my Leaving Cert grades were good, but i will confess that the extra encumbrance of irish was a tedious distraction. My opinions towards the UK are as to any other country. France, UK , Spain, Germany....let them all do what they wish over there. I have no more allegience to the Queen of England than to the King of Spain. Neither do i have any problem with the identity and leadership of other foreign countries. Ireland is home. Peace is good.


Now, regarding the Irish language. Just a few questions :
* Who, in my generation, voted for its compulsory University-entry status, its tax-sponging status, its traffic-sign status ?
* What respect is given to those who choose to not use Irish ?
* What hope for 'the new irish' and their offspring to learn and thrive in a language that causes a homework headache at the dinner table every evening ?
* How much money and time is wasted in learning a useless language that i never hear on the streets ?
* Can i be accused of 'not really being irish' when i represent the vast majority of the population in the fact that i refuse to speak irish, even when spoken to in irish ?
* Does a cohort of the population refusing to speak English correspond to a ghetto ? Polish, Urdu, Nigerian, Irish....its all Greek to me. Is this divisive to social cohesion ?
* How can we have a middle-class language revival when all the knackers refuse to speak irish ?
* How can we have a working-class language revival when all the West-Brits refuse to speak irish ?
* Is irish language just being used as a stick to beat the Unionists and to remind them of their impending minority status ? will such jingoism revive 'the troubles'. Are you so keen on Irish as to restart the troubles ?

Answers on a postcard . Preferably in a language we all understand.

Irish language in Northern Ireland sees popular revival amid political controversy - World - CBC News
 
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Ok, before i begin the rant. Just to clarify a few points on my own identity. I am a Southern Catholic. My republican credentials are as good as the next fella. Great-Grandad fought the black&tans. I did a couple of stints in the Gaeltacht. Passed Leaving Cert irish, barely...but passed nonetheless. Generally my Leaving Cert grades were good. My opinions towards the UK are as to any other country. France, UK , Spain, Germany....let them all do what they wish over there. I have no more allegience to the Queen of England than to the King of Spain. Neither do i have any problem with the identity and leadership of other foreign countries. Ireland is home. Peace is good.


Now, regarding the Irish language. Just a few questions :
* Who, in my generation, voted for its compulsory University-entry status, its tax-sponging status, its traffic-sign status ?
* What respect is given to those who choose to not use Irish ?
* What hope for 'the new irish' and their offspring to learn and thrive in a language that causes a homework headache at the dinner table every evening ?
* How much money and time is wasted in learning a useless language that i never hear on the streets ?
* Can i be accused of 'not really being irish' when i represent the vast majority of the population in the fact that i refuse to speak irish, even when spoken to in irish ?
* Does a cohort of the population refusing to speak English correspond to a ghetto ? Polish, Urdu, Nigerian, Irish....its all Greek to me. Is this divisive to social cohesion ?
* How can we have a middle-class language revival when all the knackers refuse to speak irish ?
* How can we have a working-class language revival when all the West-Brits refuse to speak irish ?
* Is irish language just being used as a stick to beat the Unionists and to remind them of their impending minority status ? will such jingoism revive 'the troubles'. Are you so keen on Irish as to restart the troubles ?

Answers on a postcard . Preferably in a language we all understand.

Irish language in Northern Ireland sees popular revival amid political controversy - World - CBC News
I dont think you need Irish to get into TCD,UL,DCU.
 

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Ok, before i begin the rant. Just to clarify a few points on my own identity. I am a Southern Catholic. My republican credentials are as good as the next fella. Great-Grandad fought the black&tans. I did a couple of stints in the Gaeltacht. Passed Leaving Cert irish, barely...but passed nonetheless. Generally my Leaving Cert grades were good. My opinions towards the UK are as to any other country. France, UK , Spain, Germany....let them all do what they wish over there. I have no more allegience to the Queen of England than to the King of Spain. Neither do i have any problem with the identity and leadership of other foreign countries. Ireland is home. Peace is good.


Now, regarding the Irish language. Just a few questions :
* Who, in my generation, voted for its compulsory University-entry status, its tax-sponging status, its traffic-sign status ?
* What respect is given to those who choose to not use Irish ?
* What hope for 'the new irish' and their offspring to learn and thrive in a language that causes a homework headache at the dinner table every evening ?
* How much money and time is wasted in learning a useless language that i never hear on the streets ?
* Can i be accused of 'not really being irish' when i represent the vast majority of the population in the fact that i refuse to speak irish, even when spoken to in irish ?
* Does a cohort of the population refusing to speak English correspond to a ghetto ? Polish, Urdu, Nigerian, Irish....its all Greek to me. Is this divisive to social cohesion ?
* How can we have a middle-class language revival when all the knackers refuse to speak irish ?
* How can we have a working-class language revival when all the West-Brits refuse to speak irish ?
* Is irish language just being used as a stick to beat the Unionists and to remind them of their impending minority status ? will such jingoism revive 'the troubles'. Are you so keen on Irish as to restart the troubles ?

Answers on a postcard . Preferably in a language we all understand.

Irish language in Northern Ireland sees popular revival amid political controversy - World - CBC News
:roll:
"Shrill, right wing clown agrees with other right wing clowns" shocker! Next you'll be regaling us with the truly astonishing news that extremist Catholic fascist prats stand shoulder to shoulder with the the fascist prats of the DUP in their outright opposition to abortion and gay marriage.
You really do need to grow up if you think that your solidarity with the DUP isn't even remotely predictable.
Are you really that stuck for a spot of trolling that you need to come to the NI board to find it?
 

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Ok, before i begin the rant. Just to clarify a few points on my own identity. I am a Southern Catholic. My republican credentials are as good as the next fella. Great-Grandad fought the black&tans. I did a couple of stints in the Gaeltacht. Passed Leaving Cert irish, barely...but passed nonetheless. Generally my Leaving Cert grades were good. My opinions towards the UK are as to any other country. France, UK , Spain, Germany....let them all do what they wish over there. I have no more allegience to the Queen of England than to the King of Spain. Neither do i have any problem with the identity and leadership of other foreign countries. Ireland is home. Peace is good.


Now, regarding the Irish language. Just a few questions :
* Who, in my generation, voted for its compulsory University-entry status, its tax-sponging status, its traffic-sign status ?
* What respect is given to those who choose to not use Irish ?
* What hope for 'the new irish' and their offspring to learn and thrive in a language that causes a homework headache at the dinner table every evening ?
* How much money and time is wasted in learning a useless language that i never hear on the streets ?
* Can i be accused of 'not really being irish' when i represent the vast majority of the population in the fact that i refuse to speak irish, even when spoken to in irish ?
* Does a cohort of the population refusing to speak English correspond to a ghetto ? Polish, Urdu, Nigerian, Irish....its all Greek to me. Is this divisive to social cohesion ?
* How can we have a middle-class language revival when all the knackers refuse to speak irish ?
* How can we have a working-class language revival when all the West-Brits refuse to speak irish ?
* Is irish language just being used as a stick to beat the Unionists and to remind them of their impending minority status ? will such jingoism revive 'the troubles'. Are you so keen on Irish as to restart the troubles ?

Answers on a postcard . Preferably in a language we all understand.

Irish language in Northern Ireland sees popular revival amid political controversy - World - CBC News
Yeh but you're a blueshirt, you hate Ireland.

Seig Heil :roll:
 

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You forgot to add 'curry my yogurt for reading'.
 

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Yeh but you're a blueshirt, you hate Ireland.

Seig Heil :roll:
You are pro-Breixt but you want the EU and the Irish government to stop a hard Brexit.

petunia

Also you haven't a single post in the Irish language section of the form. I know your Holocaust denial activities keep you busy but it would seem you haven't bother to learn the language. So why do you ant to impose it on others?

:oops::oops:
 
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"Shrill, right wing clown agrees with other right wing clowns" shocker! Next you'll be regaling us with the truly astonishing news that extremist Catholic fascist prats stand shoulder to shoulder with the the fascist prats of the DUP in their outright opposition to abortion and gay marriage.
You really do need to grow up if you think that your solidarity with the DUP isn't even remotely predictable.
Are you really that stuck for a spot of trolling that you need to come to the NI board to find it?
That didn't take long
 

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Ok, before i begin the rant. Just to clarify a few points on my own identity. I am a Southern Catholic. My republican credentials are as good as the next fella. Great-Grandad fought the black&tans. I did a couple of stints in the Gaeltacht. Passed Leaving Cert irish, barely...but passed nonetheless. Generally my Leaving Cert grades were good. My opinions towards the UK are as to any other country. France, UK , Spain, Germany....let them all do what they wish over there. I have no more allegience to the Queen of England than to the King of Spain. Neither do i have any problem with the identity and leadership of other foreign countries. Ireland is home. Peace is good.


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The sad thing is that before asking a few reasonable questions about the Irish language, you needed to declare your own and your family's loyalties.

Mind you, this still won't stop the Irish language zealots from accusing you of apostasy,
 

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Ok, before i begin the rant. Just to clarify a few points on my own identity. I am a Southern Catholic. My republican credentials are as good as the next fella. Great-Grandad fought the black&tans. I did a couple of stints in the Gaeltacht. Passed Leaving Cert irish, barely...but passed nonetheless. Generally my Leaving Cert grades were good. My opinions towards the UK are as to any other country. France, UK , Spain, Germany....let them all do what they wish over there. I have no more allegience to the Queen of England than to the King of Spain. Neither do i have any problem with the identity and leadership of other foreign countries. Ireland is home. Peace is good.


Now, regarding the Irish language. Just a few questions :
* Who, in my generation, voted for its compulsory University-entry status, its tax-sponging status, its traffic-sign status ?
* What respect is given to those who choose to not use Irish ?
* What hope for 'the new irish' and their offspring to learn and thrive in a language that causes a homework headache at the dinner table every evening ?
* How much money and time is wasted in learning a useless language that i never hear on the streets ?
* Can i be accused of 'not really being irish' when i represent the vast majority of the population in the fact that i refuse to speak irish, even when spoken to in irish ?
* Does a cohort of the population refusing to speak English correspond to a ghetto ? Polish, Urdu, Nigerian, Irish....its all Greek to me. Is this divisive to social cohesion ?
* How can we have a middle-class language revival when all the knackers refuse to speak irish ?
* How can we have a working-class language revival when all the West-Brits refuse to speak irish ?
* Is irish language just being used as a stick to beat the Unionists and to remind them of their impending minority status ? will such jingoism revive 'the troubles'. Are you so keen on Irish as to restart the troubles ?

Answers on a postcard . Preferably in a language we all understand.

Irish language in Northern Ireland sees popular revival amid political controversy - World - CBC News

I think the first step in promoting Irish must be to teach people that languages are not only valuable as tools of communication. The second step should be to teach people about the history of Ireland and the Irish language. Once that it done, the value of maintaining and promoting the language should become apparent.
 

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If dumping Irish is so darn popular how come a major party has never proposed making it optional at school? (afaik)
 

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If dumping Irish is so darn popular how come a major party has never proposed making it optional at school? (afaik)
the parallel here is Catholicism. In the 20th Century all major parties and institutions were very catholic. Any deviation from this was, literally, sacrilege. Then the dams burst and the rest is history.

The next revolution will be a major rejection of an old dead language. Multicultural, 21st Century, post-troubles Ireland's kids don't watch the Nuacht. Soon the Dams will burst.
 

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I think the first step in promoting Irish must be to teach people that languages are not only valuable as tools of communication. The second step should be to teach people about the history of Ireland and the Irish language. Once that it done, the value of maintaining and promoting the language should become apparent.
I agree that learning a second language is a valuable way of broadening one's horizons, and of course young kids have brains which are far far more adept at doing that than adults are. Problem is, Irish is just one of a multitude of potential second languages out there. (And hands up here, my own kids went to a Gaelscoil)

As for your second point, what if having taught people about the history etc, the value of promoting the language is actually not apparent? Then what? Indeed, is that not pretty much where we have arrived at? After the best part of a century of teaching the populace about the history, the populace are just not that convinced about it's value (as evidenced by their stubborn refusal to speak it).

Then there is what I see as the slightly more sinister undertone to the current row in the North, where the language is being used as a blatant badge of sectarian identity. Devotees of the language can protest all they like, but that in effect is what it has become there.
 

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the parallel here is Catholicism. In the 20th Century all major parties and institutions were very catholic. Any deviation from this was, literally, sacrilege. Then the dams burst and the rest is history.

The next revolution will be a major rejection of an old dead language. Multicultural, 21st Century, post-troubles Ireland's kids don't watch the Nuacht. Soon the Dams will burst.
The analogy is very tenuous. The catholic church ruled with an iron fist. Ruined some people's lives. There's really no comparison.
 

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The analogy is very tenuous. The catholic church ruled with an iron fist. Ruined some people's lives. There's really no comparison.
You must never have met my Irish teacher!
 

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The analogy is very tenuous. The catholic church ruled with an iron fist. Ruined some people's lives. There's really no comparison.
Surely lots of Brits living in ireland ( plus the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Syrians etc ) would vote for a party that let their kids off the Compulsory irish hook. Seems fair enough. If i lived in Wales, i would not like to see my kids forced to learn Welsh. And my ability to help them with homework would be zero. And i am too busy with the rest of my life to be going off and learning a difficult and obscure language.

Are there votes in dumping Irish ?
 

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FG proposed making Irish at Leaving Cert level in their 2011 election manifesto.
Ah yes, I seem to remember that now. Fair enough. What happened that policy?
 


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