Thomas Addis Emmet's family


Zyklon B

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I was fascinated to discover that Thomas Addis Emmet (older brother of Robert and a United Irishman) escaped from Ireland and became the New York State Attorney General. Not only that, but he had a large family comprising many descendants including a former four-time Pulitzer prize winner (Robert Emmet Sherwood), famous artists and apparently many important political or legal figures.

I also know that one of Wolfe Tone's sons, William (William Theobald Wolfe Tone (1791 - 1828)) together with his mother Matilda emigrated to the US (she is buried in Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn, New York). He married Catherine Tone (neé Sampson, daughter of William Sampson).

TONE, WILLIAM THEOBALD: Soldier. Son of the Irish patriot, Theobald Wolfe Tone, he was born at Dublin in 1791. After his father�s death several distinguished Frenchmen � Talleyrand, Bruix, the Minister of Marine etc � as well as Kilmaine, the Franco-Irish general, offered to adopt him, but their proposals were not accepted by his mother. With a view to a military career he was declared an adopted child of the French Republic and educated at the national expense in the Prytaneum and Lyceum. On leaving the Imperial School of Cavalry in 1810, he was gazatted a lieutenant to the 8th Chasseurs in the Grand Army. He saw active service in Germany from 1813-1815, and fought at the battles of Lowenberg, Goldberg, Dresden and Leipzig. During these engagements he was wounded ten times, and for his heroic conduct at Leipzig he was created a Chevalier of the Legion of Honour. At that battle he was attacked by a squad of lancers, whom he fought till he fell apparently dead from his horse.

Upon the abdication of Napoleon, Tone retired from the army and went to the United States, in whose military forces he became a captain. He died in 1828. He was author of Etat civil et politique de l�Italie sous la domination des Goths (Paris, 1813); Essai sur la composition de la force armée aux différentes époques de l�historie (Paris, 1814); and he edited Life, Works and Journal of Theobald Wolfe Tone (Washington, 1826).
He had at least one daughter (his only surviving offspring? Grace Georgina Tone, obituary here

Maxwell-On Thursday, March 29th 1900, at her residence 489 Washington Av. Brooklyn, New York, Grace Georgina, widoe of Lascelles E. Maxwell and daughter of William Theobald Wolfe Tone and Catherine Anne Sampson. Notice of funeral hereafter.
Grace Maxwell was the guest of honour at the centenary of the 1798 rising just two years previous, itself a seminal event as it lead to the founding of one of the three constituents of Sinn Féín.

I wonder:
  • Who were Wolfe Tone's other son and daughter? What became of them?
    Did William T. W. Tone have more children? What became of the Maxwell descendants?
Are there any other famous figures in Irish history that have important descendants (or indeed, any descendants) abroad, particularly in America. Interesting stuff.
 

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Straying away from political historical figures...

Ethel Voynich, the novelist and socialist was the daughter of George Boole. Through another daughter, he was the grandfather of Sir Geoffrey Ingram Taylor, a renowned mathematician and physicist.
 

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Well that's great.
 

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locke said:
Straying away from political historical figures...

Ethel Voynich, the novelist and socialist was the daughter of George Boole. Through another daughter, he was the grandfather of Sir Geoffrey Ingram Taylor, a renowned mathematician and physicist.

Very silly posting.
 

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I think O'Donnovan Rossa's family are still in NY State and were active in New York State politics (Dem's) but can't find a link to back it up.
 

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kim chi said:
Very silly posting.
Not quite as silly as that.

The thread asked for 'famous figures in Irish history'. Accepting that this is politics.ie, it isn't clear that they need to be political figures.
 

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Stíofán said:
I think O'Donnovan Rossa's family are still in NY State and were active in New York State politics (Dem's) but can't find a link to back it up.
Really?

As to an earlier question: who were Wolfe Tone's other son and daughter? Did one of them die?

Apparently Tone resembled his namesake Lord Kilwarden (Arthur Wolfe, 1st Vicount Kilwarden). From Wikipedia:

Emily Wolfe (1892-1980), the last of the Wolfes to live in Kildare, continued her family tradition of annually laying flowers at Tone's grave until her death.
Are there anymore of the Tone family left in Ireland?
 

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Little update on an area of interest of mine (descendants of Irish heroes in America): Richard S. Emmet, was:
among the last descendents of Thomas Addis Emmet to work for the firm Emmet, Marvin & Martin, ending 164 years of family involvement with the firm as counsel to the Bank of New York.
Said firm was founded by Thomas Addis Emmet. Seemingly they are a very prominent family in the East coast, the abovementioned went to school a prestigious school in New Hampshire and I think is related through marriage to the Astor family (very rich Yankee WASP family). He died in 1969.

The firm still exists, here. Apparently FDR was a partner:
Our firm was founded in 1805 by Thomas Addis Emmet, who served as Attorney General of New York State in 1812 and 1813. From the time of his death in 1827 until 1868, the practice was continued by his sons. In 1868 the firm's name changed to Emmet and Robinson, and in 1911 to Emmet and Parish. From 1920 to 1925, during the period when Franklin Delano Roosevelt, later the nation's 32nd president, was a partner, the firm was known as Emmet, Marvin and Roosevelt. Since 1925 the practice continued under the name of Emmet, Marvin & Martin. In 1995, the firm became a limited liability partnership.
Here's the man himself:

"The Favorite Counselor of New York"

That was how Thomas Addis Emmet was described by his contemporary, Joseph Story. He was reputed to have more retainers than any other New York lawyer of his day, and was recognized as a leader of the New York bar. His personal qualities, life experiences, and prior practice as an Irish barrister served him well for more than 20 years in the practice of law in America.
Apparently they are a huge family, many branches. This fellow, Richard Emmet only died recently and was a prominent conservationist:

Richard Emmet was a leading force behind the Conservation Law Foundation.

By Bryan Marquard, Globe Staff | August 2, 2007
At an age when retirement beckons, Richard Emmet stepped into a third career and helped change the course of environmental law in Massachusetts.

Fresh from Harvard Law School in 1951, he had worked for Ropes & Gray in Boston, only to find that helping large companies reduce their tax burdens wasn't satisfying. Then he spent more than a quarter century at Buckingham Browne & Nichols, where he was revered for his teaching at the private school and was feared for his grading....

Born in New York City, Mr. Emmet spent much of his childhood at his family's mansion on Long Island, in Glen Cove. Among his ancestors was Charles Pratt, who made a fortune in the oil industry and founded Pratt Institute in New York City. Mr. Emmet may have felt emotionally closer to his Irish ancestors; he was a direct descendant of the Irish revolutionary Thomas Addis Emmet. He wrote what he called a minibiography of his ancestor and regularly gathered with his Emmet cousins during travels to Ireland....

Mr. Emmet also traveled to Alabama to take part in the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s voting rights march from Selma to Montgomery, and was at the Lincoln Memorial in 1963 for King's "I Have a Dream" speech.

Possessed of a prodigious memory, Mr. Emmet "could remember song lyrics from decades earlier in their entirety for hundreds of songs, Irish songs, Southern spirituals," said his daughter, Caroline Emmet Heald of Alexandria, Va. "He could recite long poems from memory."
Thoroughly decent people, apparently.

Here's another one of them Devereux Emmet - Golf course architect!
 

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Who were Wolfe Tone's other son and daughter? What became of them?

His daughter died in Paris when she was just 17, I think the boy died at a very early age too.

His son also wrote an account of his experiences in the Campaigns of 1813/14 which is quite interesting.
 

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The Emmett family were thorughly decent people and a social conscience seems to have been imbued into them , cheifly by Robert Emmets father who was the vice regal physician . Even prior to the rebellion he had campaigned strongly against injustice and lost his employment as a result . The Emmett family was left largely destroyed by the aftermath of 1803 and Thomas Addis was very lucky to escape .
 

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Re:

Zyklon B said:
[quote="Stíofán":apf6kzcq]I think O'Donnovan Rossa's family are still in NY State and were active in New York State politics (Dem's) but can't find a link to back it up.
Really?

As to an earlier question: who were Wolfe Tone's other son and daughter? Did one of them die?

Apparently Tone resembled his namesake Lord Kilwarden (Arthur Wolfe, 1st Vicount Kilwarden). From Wikipedia:

Emily Wolfe (1892-1980), the last of the Wolfes to live in Kildare, continued her family tradition of annually laying flowers at Tone's grave until her death.
Are there anymore of the Tone family left in Ireland?[/quote:apf6kzcq]

Wasn't Wolfe Tone not supposed to be realated (in the wrong side of the bedclothes sort of way) to the Wolfes - hence the name?
 

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Re: Re:

ArtyQueing said:
Wasn't Wolfe Tone not supposed to be realated (in the wrong side of the bedclothes sort of way) to the Wolfes - hence the name?
That has been implied...that he was the natural son of Lord Kilwarden and not Peter Tone. As such, a last living relative of his died in Ireland in 1980 (noted above):
Emily Wolfe (1892-1980), the last of the Wolfes to live in Kildare, continued her family tradition of annually laying flowers at Tone's grave until her death.
Other than that, I know nothing more about the Tones. Apparently his only surviving grandaugher (Mrs. Grace Maxwell -the guest of honour at the 1898 commemoration (Centenary of 1798): she died two years later.
Catalpa said:
Who were Wolfe Tone's other son and daughter? What became of them?

His daughter died in Paris when she was just 17, I think the boy died at a very early age too.

His son also wrote an account of his experiences in the Campaigns of 1813/14 which is quite interesting.
Thanks, interesting stuff. I suppose Theobald Wolfe Tone had no more Children? I believe William Tone had only one child -Grace Georgina (or Georgiana)Maxwell (neé Tone. Obviously). Had he any others?

Her husband, Lascelles E Maxwell died on 18th March 1878, her obituary is here.
They lived at 498 Washington avenue, near Brooklyn. Methinks that this was their (Episcopal) Church (Grace Church, Brooklyn Heights founded 1847).

I think their sons were:
  • H.W Maxwell and (his son, H.W Maxwell Jr?), prominent golfers from Long Island and latterly supporters of art; and
    J.D Maxwell.
Apparently these people are descendants (scroll down).
 

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Zyklon B , there are just a dozen of us, in America, that are direct descendants of Wolfe Tone - me, my siblings and cousins. I'm very interested in genealogy and our Irish connection.
 

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Zyklon B , there are just a dozen of us, in America, that are direct descendants of Wolfe Tone - me, my siblings and cousins. I'm very interested in genealogy and our Irish connection. My mom said that the Maxwells weren't very into publicity or attention , i.e. , "they were very Victorian".
 

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Zyklon B , there are just a dozen of us, in America, that are direct descendants of Wolfe Tone - me, my siblings and cousins. I'm very interested in genealogy and our Irish connection. My mom said that the Maxwells weren't very into publicity or attention , i.e. , "they were very Victorian".
Are ye related to General Maxwell?
 

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Are there any other famous figures in Irish history that have important descendants (or indeed, any descendants) abroad, particularly in America. Interesting stuff.

Too many! Hugh O'Neill, earl of Tyrone, who fought in the 9 Years war (1590s) is a direct ancestor of Queen Elizabeth II.

Rory O'More who launched the 1641 rebellion is an ancestor of Princess Di (is she still famous?)

:?

On this basis, a descendant of Tone / Emmet will inherit the UK crown in about 2300.
 
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