Three cheers for gender pay equality in the public sector but don't stick taxpayers for 400 million euros

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Three cheers for gender pay equality in the public sector but don't stick taxpayers for 400 million euros

Just heard on Newstalk Radio that it will cost 400 million euros to fix the gender pay gap in the Irish public sector. Three cheers for that provided male public sector pay is held down where the gaps exist to make up the 400 million. Given that the Irish public sector pay average is nearly half as high again as the private sector pay average, almost the highest premium in the EU along with dysfunctional Italy and Greece, Irish taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with the bill. That bill will also include extra money for additions to gold plated pensions and tax free lump sums.

Maybe it's time a political party formed with the name "Stop Screwing Taxpayers" ,although masochistic taxpayers would be hard to organise.
 
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Just heard on Newstalk Radio that it will cost 400 million euros to fix the gender pay gap in the Irish public sector. Three cheers for that provided male public sector pay is held down where the gaps exist to make up the 400 million. Given that the Irish public sector pay average is nearly half as high again as the private sector pay average, almost the highest premium in the EU along with dysfunctional Italy and Greece, Irish taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with the bill. That bill will also include extra money for additions to gold plated pensions and tax free lump sums.

Maybe it's time a political party formed with the name "Stop Screwing Taxpayers" ,although masochistic taxpayers would be hard to organise.
Bullshít

There are standard pay grades. No woman is paid less than a man for the same job.


This "gender paygap" myth needs to be killed right now.
 
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This is just a rort to get pay increases.

They did this at the BBC remember.

Headlines: "women paid less!!!"


So they paid PwC a truckload of money to come and "audit" the pay of all BBC staff. Guess what - they found on average women paid more than men. But also found lots of people who needed a pay increase.

Taxpayers screwed again.
 

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Yeah, patts is factually incorrect. It's pay restoration since 2011 not just for one gender. There is no gender pay gap. There is a pay difference between career types and employee job/career characteristics. But no gender gap. That is illegal.
 

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Yeah, patts is factually incorrect. It's pay restoration since 2011 not just for one gender.
Which is just as bad.

The unions themselves demanded that a new pay scale be drawn up for new employees, in order to leave public sector pay untouched in the recession.


Hey presto, a few years later, same unions: "It's an outrage!!!!! Young public servants are on a different pay scale!!!!!"

Yet again. Screw the taxpayer.


This was the conniving invention of the unions themselves. Let them live with it, by funding the raise by cutting the average pay scale.
 

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The cost is 200 million and it's the gap between those hired post 2011 and the pre-existing PS employees...and yes the tax payer will pick up the tab.

Yes I know PS people are tax payers too, before someone pulls me on it.
 

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The cost is 200 million and it's the gap between those hired post 2011 and the pre-existing PS employees...and yes the tax payer will pick up the tab.

Yes I know PS people are tax payers too, before someone pulls me on it.
It's ridiculous to claim you fund your own pay.
 

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Just heard on Newstalk Radio that it will cost 400 million euros to fix the gender pay gap in the Irish public sector. Three cheers for that provided male public sector pay is held down where the gaps exist to make up the 400 million. Given that the Irish public sector pay average is nearly half as high again as the private sector pay average, almost the highest premium in the EU along with dysfunctional Italy and Greece, Irish taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with the bill. That bill will also include extra money for additions to gold plated pensions and tax free lump sums.

Maybe it's time a political party formed with the name "Stop Screwing Taxpayers" ,although masochistic taxpayers would be hard to organise.
How can there be a gender pay gap in the Public sector, there is no womans rate or mens rate there is a rate for the job irrespective of who is doing it, there are jobs that are male dominated and jobs that there female dominated, the reason for a gap is that women tend to be in roles that don't pay as well, the solution is to encourage more women to take up positions in areas that pay better, but that doesn't cost anything as you are still paying for the job the same as before.

The only way it can cost is if you say Hospital consultants are predominantly male, nurses are predominantly female, consultants are paid more so there is a gender pay gap, let's pay Nurses the same as consultants to get rid of the gap, but that is illogical.
 

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Yeah, patts is factually incorrect. It's pay restoration since 2011 not just for one gender. There is no gender pay gap. There is a pay difference between career types and employee job/career characteristics. But no gender gap. That is illegal.

Shocking, thats never happened before.
 
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All the public sector does is outsource to the private sector.

It desperately needs to be streamlined.
 

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Just heard on Newstalk Radio that it will cost 400 million euros to fix the gender pay gap in the Irish public sector. Three cheers for that provided male public sector pay is held down where the gaps exist to make up the 400 million. Given that the Irish public sector pay average is nearly half as high again as the private sector pay average, almost the highest premium in the EU along with dysfunctional Italy and Greece, Irish taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with the bill. That bill will also include extra money for additions to gold plated pensions and tax free lump sums.

Maybe it's time a political party formed with the name "Stop Screwing Taxpayers" ,although masochistic taxpayers would be hard to organise.
Do you never tire of this bullshít?
 

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OI.

Back to work lads. My pay increase won't pay for itself.
 

Who is John Galt?

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The cost is 200 million and it's the gap between those hired post 2011 and the pre-existing PS employees...and yes the tax payer will pick up the tab.

Yes I know PS people are tax payers too, before someone pulls me on it.
Not really!
Only people in productive businesses, earning real money, pay real taxes.
All the other feeders merely recycle taxpayers money.
 

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Which is just as bad.

The unions themselves demanded that a new pay scale be drawn up for new employees, in order to leave public sector pay untouched in the recession.


Hey presto, a few years later, same unions: "It's an outrage!!!!! Young public servants are on a different pay scale!!!!!"

Yet again. Screw the taxpayer.


This was the conniving invention of the unions themselves. Let them live with it, by funding the raise by cutting the average pay scale.
Despite the colossal pay premium of about 48% above the private sector average pay, apparently public sector pay is growing faster on its higher pay than the private sector. The public sector is the new aristocracy.
 

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The cost is 200 million and it's the gap between those hired post 2011 and the pre-existing PS employees...and yes the tax payer will pick up the tab.

Yes I know PS people are tax payers too, before someone pulls me on it.
Maybe the 200 million is the low end of the range of the estimated cost. Newstalk quoted 400 million and we know governments always underestimate spending.

PS people are taking way more from the pot than the rest of us.
 

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How can there be a gender pay gap in the Public sector, there is no womans rate or mens rate there is a rate for the job irrespective of who is doing it, there are jobs that are male dominated and jobs that there female dominated, the reason for a gap is that women tend to be in roles that don't pay as well, the solution is to encourage more women to take up positions in areas that pay better, but that doesn't cost anything as you are still paying for the job the same as before.

The only way it can cost is if you say Hospital consultants are predominantly male, nurses are predominantly female, consultants are paid more so there is a gender pay gap, let's pay Nurses the same as consultants to get rid of the gap, but that is illogical.
There was a silly concept years ago called "equal pay for work of equal value" which some cynical or politically correct governments apparently pretended to implement to please female voters. The concept was from the handbook of extreme feminism, claiming male domination and paternalism forced women to crowd into professions like teaching and nursing, reducing the real value of that work. So to compensate for this alleged wrong, female oriented jobs needed to be paid a lot more. A recent description by a Canadian lawyer describes this,"Through a complex assessment, an organization must compare all “predominantly female” roles with “predominantly male” roles using a job evaluation points system. If these two different jobs, say a construction worker and an office administrator in a construction company, have the same “points” assigned then the salary must be equal after the pay equity exercise. If the construction worker (male job) makes $15/hour and the office administrator makes $13/hour, there is a wage gap that must be rectified. Sounds simple, but it is a long and arduous process that should be proactively conducted in your organization.".

Naturally, lawyers in the two Canadian provinces Ontario and Quebec which have these regulations have been feasting off this but the regulations are sheer nonsense from the standpoint of economics. To implement these regulations comprehensively, a business would need a team of economists working round the clock to monitor constantly changing wage levels and workplace conditions. In the example above, calculations would have to be done to price the risks of a short career of a construction worker due to job hazards and physical difficulties of the work and to price the high cyclical risks of unemployment and the unattractive image of the work compared to a white collar office job. The nuisance value of these regulations must be very annoying for business even if the implementation is only tokenist in practice.

No US state has introduced such legislation AFAIK, probably because the legalistic US constitution would find it completely irrational.
 
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Bullshít

There are standard pay grades. No woman is paid less than a man for the same job.


This "gender paygap" myth needs to be killed right now.
Pay gaps have been exposed in RTE and probably exist in many state agencies. In RTE and BBC, interestingly the possibility that higher pay of males could be down to higher ratings with the public wasn't widely discussed AFAIK. Broadasters live or die on ratings and RTE needs ratings for its ad revenues.
 


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