Ticket touting possible solutions

wexfordman

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With the absolute outrageous touting on their recent u2 concert it is clear that something needs to be done to put some level of control on citizens who just can't help themselves be either ripped off or ripping others off.

Two issues, the rice of the touted tickets and the loss ifnrevenue to the state as I would expect most touts don't pay tax on their profits.

Most touting is now done and facilitated by online retailers facilitating the deals and yet claiming no responsibility for the results.

At the very least, to discourage this practice, the government should enforce a combined income and sales tax on all secondary sales ofntockets via these sites, charging the hosting sites 50% of the difference on sale price v touted price for income tax purposes and quite possibly an additional sales tax on these as well?
Certainly a discouragement, and at the very least the state gets its tax take.
 


wexfordman

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O crap, it seems Michael Healy rae agrees
 

Disillusioned democrat

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Or the government could just make it illegal like many countries and stop facilitating the ongoing rip-off of the state's citizens.
 

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With the absolute outrageous touting on their recent u2 concert it is clear that something needs to be done to put some level of control on citizens who just can't help themselves be either ripped off or ripping others off.

Two issues, the rice of the touted tickets and the loss ifnrevenue to the state as I would expect most touts don't pay tax on their profits.

Most touting is now done and facilitated by online retailers facilitating the deals and yet claiming no responsibility for the results.

At the very least, to discourage this practice, the government should enforce a combined income and sales tax on all secondary sales ofntockets via these sites, charging the hosting sites 50% of the difference on sale price v touted price for income tax purposes and quite possibly an additional sales tax on these as well?
Certainly a discouragement, and at the very least the state gets its tax take.
I was at the U2 gigs in The Three Arena in 2015.
I had to produce the debit card I used to purchase the tickets at the door.
Fooked if I'd be giving my debit card to anyone else just to make a few quid, so that could work.
 
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Musicians are quite happy to ensure a proportion of their tickets go direct onto the secondary market so instead of €90 a ticket they get €500 a ticket and reseller keeps the rest.

Easiest way is to require people to register in advance with proof of ID before can buy tickets and the proof of ID of others who will use tickets.

People will claim difficult but strangely enough trying to sell tickets on a reseller then required to do just that.

Named person(s) must be on ticket together with unique ID so anybody wishes to provide details of Revenue Commissioners of what they had to pay enables a tracking to be done. One sale a year is allowed anything else is trading and taxable.

Easy to buy the software to harvest the tickets, its €1000 and make that back on first sell out event.

UEFA tackled touting by targeting resellers (eventually after fan complaints) during Euro2016 by notifying EU resellers that it was using their Brand Image and Copyright without consent and hit them with legal action. Some moved to Switzerland.

Ticket reselling is a very easy way for criminals to make and launder lots of cash and nothing seems to be done on it.

Course a coordinated police raid with EU tax authorities on all the resllers would provide lots of details on who and where the cash was going to by requiring them to disclose every single transaction and bank account.
 

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With the absolute outrageous touting on their recent u2 concert it is clear that something needs to be done to put some level of control on citizens who just can't help themselves be either ripped off or ripping others off.

Two issues, the rice of the touted tickets and the loss ifnrevenue to the state as I would expect most touts don't pay tax on their profits.

Most touting is now done and facilitated by online retailers facilitating the deals and yet claiming no responsibility for the results.

At the very least, to discourage this practice, the government should enforce a combined income and sales tax on all secondary sales ofntockets via these sites, charging the hosting sites 50% of the difference on sale price v touted price for income tax purposes and quite possibly an additional sales tax on these as well?
Certainly a discouragement, and at the very least the state gets its tax take.
the djei dept published a consultation paper on it https://www.djei.ie/en/News-And-Events/Department-News/2017/January/20012017a.html
 

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Don't buy a ticket for above face value. Because, no matter how much you feel that you ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THERE or your life will end, you're wrong. Problem solved.

The rest is imbecility, plain and simple.
 

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'Solution' implies there's a problem. What's the problem, exactly? Price discovery is not a problem.
 

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Don't buy a ticket for above face value. Because, no matter how much you feel that you ABSOLUTELY MUST BE THERE or your life will end, you're wrong. Problem solved.

The rest is imbecility, plain and simple.
Its the snowflake generation so one will be born every minute
 

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Lads, there seems to be a lot of chat around criminals re-selling tickets. Its not all criminals lads.

I'd have serious questions for MCD here. MCDs directors are also directors of Live Nation who are a major shareholder in the company that operates Ticketmaster. Seat Wave is also a Ticketmaster company. I suspect that if there are 80,000 tickets to be put on general release for a show that not the full allocation are actually put on general release.

I suspect some are held back and diverted to Seat Wave where, lets be honest, they all make a killing.

Everyone wins here, except the punter.
 

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Or the government could just make it illegal like many countries and stop facilitating the ongoing rip-off of the state's citizens.
The upside of that is that it would legislate many gombeen school teacher/TDs and assorted thickos out of a job.
 

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Obviously nobody heard the genius, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, in the Dail yesterday
 

enuffisenuff

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we could just tell them to stick their tickets up their hole....just saying..
 

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Nope. What did she say?
"TUESDAY, JANUARY 24, 2017
The Jobs Minister has warned that any laws to ban ticket touting may not benefit Irish customers.

Mary Mitchell O’Connor says any measures could mean tickets going on sale for higher prices abroad, instead of in Ireland."

Irish Examiner
 

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Or the government could just make it illegal like many countries and stop facilitating the ongoing rip-off of the state's citizens.
Yeah. Because making things illegal always works. :roll:
 

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"TUESDAY, JANUARY 24, 2017
The Jobs Minister has warned that any laws to ban ticket touting may not benefit Irish customers.

Mary Mitchell O’Connor says any measures could mean tickets going on sale for higher prices abroad, instead of in Ireland."

Irish Examiner
???? I don't understand. Where us she getting this from.
 
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"TUESDAY, JANUARY 24, 2017
The Jobs Minister has warned that any laws to ban ticket touting may not benefit Irish customers.

Mary Mitchell O’Connor says any measures could mean tickets going on sale for higher prices abroad, instead of in Ireland."

Irish Examiner
BS of the highest order.

State requirement that ALL tickets must bear sellers name can easily be done.
Tickets sold abroad easily dealt with by forcing sellers to disclose personal details.

FAI used a tactic of refusing to take bookings or cancelling them for Non Irish addresses for tickets for the Wales game. Irish fans in UK with record of booking were filtered out from this cancellation. They also cancelled tickets where Wales fans used Irish hotels and hostels because you have to disclose billing address.

In Italy it is not possible to buy a football ticket without providing Passport or ID number details.

An easy way to ban it is to force the MC/VISA/Paypals of this world to disclose whom the funds going to.
 

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"TUESDAY, JANUARY 24, 2017
The Jobs Minister has warned that any laws to ban ticket touting may not benefit Irish customers.

Mary Mitchell O’Connor says any measures could mean tickets going on sale for higher prices abroad, instead of in Ireland."

Irish Examiner
pure sh1te of the highest order....
 


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