Time for a major new initiative in foreign policy?

darkknight

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800 years of being too close to Britain was more than enough.

40 years of cosying up to "our European friends" has now left a very bitter taste.

In spite of the Farmleigh bash, bowlfuls of shamrock, Maureen O'Hara, etc., the American diaspora has let us down in our hour of need.

So how about giving China a spin?



- They have reserves of over $2.5 TRILLION (should be enough to sort out Anglo, AIB, BofI and a few building societies).

- They spend small fortunes buying influence in Africa and other developing countries. I'm sure a small base off Europe's western coast would prove attractive to them.

- They could give us a present of a few hundred billion (forget loans and punitive interest rates!) and hardly notice.

- They build entire cities in less time than it takes us to crack the mystery of integrated ticketing.

- They could set up more than enough factories to provide us with instantaneous full employment. Privileged access to the world's fastest expanding consumer market would mean we couldn't produce enough to keep up with demand.





That would give "our European friends" something to think about! :cool:
 
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king5494

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Maybe we could send a SF delegations over to kickstart the negotiations as dont send FG/FF/Lab over as they'd feck it up.
 

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Ireland to become China’s investment 'Gateway to Europe' - Ireland’s business and technology news service – Siliconrepublic.com

Taoiseach Brian Cowen TD said he believes Ireland can become the "gateway" for Chinese investment into Europe.
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Cowen said Ireland has important advantages, including being the only English-speaking country in the Eurozone.

He said that Irish trade with China had increased “six fold in the last 10 years”. Ten years ago, 45 Irish companies had a permanent presence in China, that number had grown today to 115.

There ought to be a special multi-departmental (Finance, Foreign Affairs, Education, Enterprise, Trade & Employment ...) task force working on this, in cooperation with the Ireland China Association.
 

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And if anyone gives any lip, it's organ donation time.
Like trying to organise a public meeting for instance.
 

derm0t

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Yup; been wondering about this as well.

Screw Boston, screw Berlin. It's Beijing, baby.

China gets:

* Naval base(s).
* Islands for radar tracking stations (ideal for their space program).
* Fishing rights (bye, bye, Spanish fecks).
* Immigration rights (Ireland's got 300,000 empty houses). Give us your huddled masses, etc. The country will need non-EU immigrant labour to help with the next phase of Economic boom.

Ireland gets:

* Money. There's that problem solved.
* A couple of Irish candidates in the Chinese space program. Our first Astr O' Nauts.
* Massive business opportunities in the Chinese market.
* With strong links to China, Ireland can safely Nationalise her Energy Resources. FU, Shell.
* We send off the FFers and Mary Harney to a Manchurian Labour camp, ne'er to be seen again.
* Free from EU meddling, Ireland can set any corporate tax rate it likes. How about 2%?

What's not to love!

There were some amazing stats on Irish food exports on Drivetime today. China needs food.
 

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Interesting idea but probably unrealistic to expect such extravagant returns when there is so much competition for Chinese trade/investment. Also a mistake to tie all our hopes to a nation with such a poor human rights record - we are already iffy enough about Shannon and the US.
 

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I for one welcome our Chinese overlord. We should sell AIB to ICBC, the 7th largest(by Tier 1 capital), the most valuable and the most profitable bank in the world in 2010.

ICBC accelerates overseas push

"In Europe, the bank plans to open five branches – in Amsterdam, Brussels, Madrid Milan and Paris – over the coming months as it seeks follow the growing number of Chinese companies doing business overseas. The bank is also looking at possible acquisition targets in Europe..."
 

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China isn't interested in countries whose people earn significantly more than they do.
 

sheehan

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That's lazy thinking.

"The chairman of one of China’s biggest state lenders has called on the country’s financial sector to speed up its expansion overseas in a strong sign that Beijing is considering allowing banks to resume offshore mergers and acquisitions.

Xiao Gang, of the Bank of China, said in an essay published on Thursday that the post-financial crisis environment provided excellent opportunities for expansion, calling this an “inevitable trend”."

“The financial institutions devastated by the global crisis still need time to recover,” Mr Xiao wrote. “[Chinese] banks that have the ability should hasten their pace in ‘going abroad’ and increase their international competitiveness.”

Chinese bank chief urges push overseas
 

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All this talk of a special relationship with China is pretty much pie in the sky stuff at this stage; it might be a different story in 30-50 years' time, when China is likely to have passed out the USA as the world's biggest economy and its diplomatic and military power will have grown commensurately and increased its global reach.;)

What we in Ireland should be looking at now is a major realignment of domestic politics. First we have to get rid of the corrupt Fianna Failure party and its attendant mafioso of golden circle exploiters and crooks, but at the same time we must be very vigilant indeed to make certain the arses that weigh down the back seats of big state limousines are not just those of Blueshirt spin-artists, who might be just as bad.:roll::roll:

Time to give Sinn Fein a chance, people who care about Ireland and have never succumbed to the Celtic Cringe mentality that seems to have afflicted most other parties. Only an idealistic, patriotic and determined group like that can foster the kind of national solidarity we need so that we can show some backbone in our dealings with our close neighbours and prepare for our eventual dealings with the new global superpower.:)
 

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dump Irish for chinese in school would be a start

lol here , china in 2030

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I have been saying this for years, why the Dept of Ed is so hidebound to the status quo is nothing short of amazing! Mind you, I would keep Irish and dump Spanish, I mean, what have the Spanish ever done for us!!!?

Teachers from China on 5 year visas, with special tax status for Chinese companies who set up here and provide indigenous employment.
Tax incentivise Irish companies who can sell to China, esp in IT dev and R&D.

On a related issue, what has Wikileaks to say about FF and the US diplomatic service's assessment of them?
A nation waits to hear......
 

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I have been saying this for years, why the Dept of Ed is so hidebound to the status quo is nothing short of amazing! Mind you, I would keep Irish and dump Spanish, I mean, what have the Spanish ever done for us!!!?

Teachers from China on 5 year visas, with special tax status for Chinese companies who set up here and provide indigenous employment.
Tax incentivise Irish companies who can sell to China, esp in IT dev and R&D.

On a related issue, what has Wikileaks to say about FF and the US diplomatic service's assessment of them?
A nation waits to hear......
I remember the battle of Kinsale, but they were too incompetent.

"Cork-based Firecomms has been acquired by Chinese corporation the ZJF group in an all cash deal."
 

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Yup; been wondering about this as well.

Screw Boston, screw Berlin. It's Beijing, baby.

China gets:

* Naval base(s).
* Islands for radar tracking stations (ideal for their space program).
* Fishing rights (bye, bye, Spanish fecks).
* Immigration rights (Ireland's got 300,000 empty houses). Give us your huddled masses, etc. The country will need non-EU immigrant labour to help with the next phase of Economic boom.

Ireland gets:

* Money. There's that problem solved.
* A couple of Irish candidates in the Chinese space program. Our first Astr O' Nauts.
* Massive business opportunities in the Chinese market.
* With strong links to China, Ireland can safely Nationalise her Energy Resources. FU, Shell.
* We send off the FFers and Mary Harney to a Manchurian Labour camp, ne'er to be seen again.
* Free from EU meddling, Ireland can set any corporate tax rate it likes. How about 2%?

What's not to love!

There were some amazing stats on Irish food exports on Drivetime today. China needs food.
The country will need non-EU immigrant labour to help with the next phase of Economic boom.


Do you know that we already have over 400,000 people out of work here as it is.

We don't need more immigrants.

Also there are already about 60/90,000 Chinese in the State already

- mostly registered as 'students' but actually a ready supply of cheap labour.

By all means let us develop good and cordial relations with China & her People.

But only on the basis of the principle that it serves the interests of Irish working people.

And not exploitative Capitalists - Irish or Chinese!:evil:
 


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