Time for an election , time for FF to pull the plug

brughahaha

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 1, 2009
Messages
15,406
Given Endas insistence on staying and the moribund nature of this current administration......it's essentially in the Doldrums marking time and utterly ineffective.

Add in Brexit thundering down the line , economically the most important negotiations for our country , possibly since its foundation

Given the above 2 facts isn't it time for an election , where the parties can lay out the exact strategy they are going to invoke when dealing with both the UK and EU over Brexit

Time for the people to choose our Brexit negotiators and path
 


offalypat

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 3, 2014
Messages
2,638
given endas insistence on staying and the moribund nature of this current administration......it's essentially in the doldrums marking time and utterly ineffective.

Add in brexit thundering down the line , economically the most important negotiations for our country , possibly since its foundation

given the above 2 facts isn't it time for an election , where the parties can lay out the exact strategy they are going to invoke when dealing with both the uk and eu over brexit

time for the people to choose our brexit negotiators and path
it doesnt matter who is in power because we have no power or say in what the eu or the uk want to do with us the lisbon and niece treatys should have told you that also the bank bailout is another clue as to what we can say or do the eu will just giggle at us behind closed doors so no there shouldnt be an election and as things stand enda kenny is far ahead of michael martin as a leader that we need at the moment if he stops listening to his advisors and does his own thing.
 

benroe

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 29, 2011
Messages
12,057
!00% agree, Enda is the last person we need at the helm right now, we can re-elect him next time we need an ass-licking ,about turning cringe king.
 

brughahaha

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 1, 2009
Messages
15,406
!00% agree, Enda is the last person we need at the helm right now, we can re-elect him next time we need an ass-licking ,about turning cringe king.
Agree ...we have an appalling choice but Enda is chief lickspittle when it comes to the EU ....... Something with more of a spine and less supine might not do much good , but unlike previous events , at least we could try
 

offalypat

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 3, 2014
Messages
2,638
Agree ...we have an appalling choice but Enda is chief lickspittle when it comes to the EU ....... Something with more of a spine and less supine might not do much good , but unlike previous events , at least we could try
how well did brian cowen and the late brian lenihan get on while dealing with the eu and michael martin was on that team at the time.
 

Northsideman

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 7, 2010
Messages
9,715
Given Endas insistence on staying and the moribund nature of this current administration......it's essentially in the Doldrums marking time and utterly ineffective.

Add in Brexit thundering down the line , economically the most important negotiations for our country , possibly since its foundation

Given the above 2 facts isn't it time for an election , where the parties can lay out the exact strategy they are going to invoke when dealing with both the UK and EU over Brexit

Time for the people to choose our Brexit negotiators and path
But we won"t be doing any negotiations whatsoever, the Germans and French will be looking after that whilst we look on.
 

wombat

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 16, 2007
Messages
33,519
Add in Brexit thundering down the line , economically the most important negotiations for our country , possibly since its foundation

Given the above 2 facts isn't it time for an election , where the parties can lay out the exact strategy they are going to invoke when dealing with both the UK and EU over Brexit
I think there are 2 separate issues. Regarding Brexit, we don't know what it entails, negotiations haven't started so how can we hold an election debate about what it entails? If we hold an election, will much change? the most likely result will be FG supported by FF or FF supported by FG. I've no problem with holding an election, I just question how much it will solve?
 

ger12

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 25, 2011
Messages
47,680
I'm still waiting to hear who lied ... Enda Kenny or Catherine Zappone ....

"Minister for Children Katherine Zappone has contradicted Taoiseach Enda Kenny on the extent of his knowledge of false allegations made against Sgt Maurice McCabe.

Ms Zappone said that prior to last Tuesday’s Cabinet meeting she spoke with Mr Kenny about the meeting she had with Sgt McCabe and his wife, Lorraine, during which she learned of the false sexual abuse allegations and Tusla’s role in it.

Mr Kenny had on Sunday said Ms Zappone told him she was going to meet the McCabes but made no reference to their conversation prior to last week’s Cabinet meeting.

His spokesman had also said last week that Mr Kenny was unaware of any Tusla role in the McCabe case until an RTÉ Prime Time programme aired last Thursday. "

Zappone contradicts Kenny over knowledge of Tusla controversy

Noises that he was going got him out of that pile a dung ... now he's not going eh ...

So who lied?
 

emulator

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 20, 2010
Messages
10,207
Agree ...we have an appalling choice but Enda is chief lickspittle when it comes to the EU ....... Something with more of a spine and less supine might not do much good , but unlike previous events , at least we could try
He's hardly going to go against his future employers... the only reason he wants to hold on is to get things squared away regarding his new post.
 

emulator

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 20, 2010
Messages
10,207
I'm still waiting to hear who lied ... Enda Kenny or Catherine Zappone ....

"Minister for Children Katherine Zappone has contradicted Taoiseach Enda Kenny on the extent of his knowledge of false allegations made against Sgt Maurice McCabe.

Ms Zappone said that prior to last Tuesday’s Cabinet meeting she spoke with Mr Kenny about the meeting she had with Sgt McCabe and his wife, Lorraine, during which she learned of the false sexual abuse allegations and Tusla’s role in it.

Mr Kenny had on Sunday said Ms Zappone told him she was going to meet the McCabes but made no reference to their conversation prior to last week’s Cabinet meeting.

His spokesman had also said last week that Mr Kenny was unaware of any Tusla role in the McCabe case until an RTÉ Prime Time programme aired last Thursday. "

Zappone contradicts Kenny over knowledge of Tusla controversy

Noises that he was going got him out of that pile a dung ... now he's not going eh ...

So who lied?
My money's on Kenny for lying...

Same as the appointment of John McNulty to the board of IMMA (he dropped himself in it on this one during the GE debate).

Legislation that set up GSOC, he lied to the Dáil regarding this.

Apparently, he has been spinning yarns quite a lot within the party too and people have simply had enough. His appointment of Reilly and Mitchell - O'Connor caused much gnashing of teeth.

He'll try his best to hang in there all the same 'till Europe calls him.
 

west'sawake

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 15, 2008
Messages
3,592
My money's on Kenny for lying...

Same as the appointment of John McNulty to the board of IMMA (he dropped himself in it on this one during the GE debate).

Legislation that set up GSOC, he lied to the Dáil regarding this.

Apparently, he has been spinning yarns quite a lot within the party too and people have simply had enough. His appointment of Reilly and Mitchell - O'Connor caused much gnashing of teeth.

He'll try his best to hang in there all the same 'till Europe calls him.
If Europe or rather the E.U. as we know it, is still there. :)
 

cricket

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 7, 2009
Messages
13,786
it doesnt matter who is in power because we have no power or say in what the eu or the uk want to do with us the lisbon and niece treatys should have told you that also the bank bailout is another clue as to what we can say or do the eu will just giggle at us behind closed doors so no there shouldnt be an election and as things stand enda kenny is far ahead of michael martin as a leader that we need at the moment if he stops listening to his advisors and does his own thing.
Who do you blame for the abolition of punctuation ?
 

sic transit

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 30, 2008
Messages
25,397
Given Endas insistence on staying and the moribund nature of this current administration......it's essentially in the Doldrums marking time and utterly ineffective.

Add in Brexit thundering down the line , economically the most important negotiations for our country , possibly since its foundation

Given the above 2 facts isn't it time for an election , where the parties can lay out the exact strategy they are going to invoke when dealing with both the UK and EU over Brexit

Time for the people to choose our Brexit negotiators and path
They promised three budgets and the current polls for all they can be believed don't show much change in the make-up of the Dail. They'd also look quite silly if the arithmetic allowed a new government to form without them! Is there really that much difference between FF and the government on the problems of a post-Brexit scenario for Ireland?
 

lostexpectation

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 3, 2006
Messages
14,123
Website
dublinstreams.blogspot.com
Given Endas insistence on staying and the moribund nature of this current administration......it's essentially in the Doldrums marking time and utterly ineffective.

Add in Brexit thundering down the line , economically the most important negotiations for our country , possibly since its foundation

Given the above 2 facts isn't it time for an election , where the parties can lay out the exact strategy they are going to invoke when dealing with both the UK and EU over Brexit

Time for the people to choose our Brexit negotiators and path
what if we get a similar numbers result? with FF swapped for FG
 

ionsniffer

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 27, 2014
Messages
7,162
oh great. fianna fail will be so different.
political earthquake or something:roll:
 

jmcc

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 12, 2004
Messages
42,695
He's hardly going to go against his future employers... the only reason he wants to hold on is to get things squared away regarding his new post.
Perhaps the village idiot had expected to replace Tusk. But now that Tusk was relected much against the wishes of the Poles, the village idiot's services are not required in the EU. Could this be the reason for him wanting to stay with his snout in the trough? Every day he remains Taoiseach sees FG losing support. It may in FF's and SF's best interests to see FG Labourised so that the main axis of power will be FF/SF. Kenny is doing that.
 

Toland

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 26, 2008
Messages
63,162
Website
www.aggressive-secularist.com
Given Endas insistence on staying and the moribund nature of this current administration......it's essentially in the Doldrums marking time and utterly ineffective.

Add in Brexit thundering down the line , economically the most important negotiations for our country , possibly since its foundation

Given the above 2 facts isn't it time for an election , where the parties can lay out the exact strategy they are going to invoke when dealing with both the UK and EU over Brexit

Time for the people to choose our Brexit negotiators and path
If you think an election will do anything other than hand over to tweedle dee (giving hope for the long-term survival of a tweedle dee that we had almost buried a few years ago) then I suspect you're very much mistaken.
 

Henry94.

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 21, 2015
Messages
1,925
We have one issue. No border on the island of Ireland under any circumstances. That is our red line and everything else is secondary. Any party that fails to secure that might as well go home because they will never escape the shame. And you think Michael Martin wants an election. He does in his arse.
 

sic transit

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 30, 2008
Messages
25,397
He's hardly going to go against his future employers... the only reason he wants to hold on is to get things squared away regarding his new post.
Oh I think he'll just retire, be an elder statesman, probably write a book and spend more time on his bike!
 


New Threads

Most Replies

Top