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Time to make a new Homeland for the oppresed Muslims of the World fleeing terror some where in North Africa.

Hans Von Horn

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Time to make a new Homeland for the oppresed Muslims of the World fleeing terror some where in North Africa.

The Navies of Europe have been Shuttling fleeing people across the Med for years now. Most of these people are Muslims. They must be protected where they are at risk.

Unfortunately the induction of a new Culture to Europe is not going well. We must act to guard against extreme views taking hold again in Europe if we are to preserve the peace built in Europe over decades.

Refugees only need sanctuary until they are no longer in danger. They do not need permanent residency in Europe

It is time to build a one or more havens in North Africa for the Fleeing People. Virtue signaling by way of displaying flags over our photos is no longer enough.

The havens would need a considerable spend on Infrastructure, and on Marshall type aid to build a real economy. Education and Poverty are vital pillars of a Haven.

A multi cultural Europe is not viable.
 


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Well the "Culture" bit is the PC word for brainwashed fooking eejits from the stone age but of course it cannot be called that. Women Cannot marry non-believers but the men can and the kids must be brought up as believers ? ehh,, talk about an in your face colonisation ?

Europe needs to really wake up and Merkel should be arrested on sight, there is no upside to this, no reasonable argument for it over the long term, no possible good end game only fooking conflict.

I have had a couple of run-ins with utter hate filled muslim guys that only wish to dominate and control everything, I wonder where they got that from ?

No mosque should be ever constructed on EU soil, it is only a beachhead.
 

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Well the "Culture" bit is the PC word for brainwashed fooking eejits from the stone age but of course it cannot be called that. Women Cannot marry non-believers but the men can and the kids must be brought up as believers ? ehh,, talk about an in your face colonisation ?

Europe needs to really wake up and Merkel should be arrested on sight, there is no upside to this, no reasonable argument for it over the long term, no possible good end game only fooking conflict.

I have had a couple of run-ins with utter hate filled muslim guys that only wish to dominate and control everything, I wonder where they got that from ?

No mosque should be ever constructed on EU soil, it is only a beachhead.
Renewable Energy is the energy of the future. North Africa has an abundance of solar energy to run desalination, cheap electricity etc.
 

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Well the "Culture" bit is the PC word for brainwashed fooking eejits from the stone age but of course it cannot be called that. Women Cannot marry non-believers but the men can and the kids must be brought up as believers ? ehh,, talk about an in your face colonisation ?

Europe needs to really wake up and Merkel should be arrested on sight, there is no upside to this, no reasonable argument for it over the long term, no possible good end game only fooking conflict.

I have had a couple of run-ins with utter hate filled muslim guys that only wish to dominate and control everything, I wonder where they got that from ?

No mosque should be ever constructed on EU soil, it is only a beachhead.
Bud, you've had a lot of run-ins with ne'er-do-well muslim radicals, you've pissed on your fingers for survival and have been done over by fooking LIBRULS left right and centre. At that rate you'll be the next breaking news story.
 

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The Navies of Europe have been Shuttling fleeing people across the Med for years now. Most of these people are Muslims. They must be protected where they are at risk.
From Libya and Syria.

Two countries where the Western Powers decided to support Islamist terrorists against the legitimate authorities who y'know just might have known a thing or two about running those places.

Just as well Putin stepped in and stopped the complete collapse of Syria to the Western backed ''good'' militant Sunni Islamist loonies and the ''bad'' militant Sunni Islamist ISIS loonies (very similar ideology, it's just the West thinks all but ISIS/Al Nusra are moderate **scoffs**). The current crisis emanating from Syria would be ten times worse. Libya is destroyed for generations. Western interests, and by that I mean the interests of ordinary westerners (in terms of security, society etc) damaged by the actions of the Western Powers.

The pathetic European response to the failed policies of the US/UK/France? Throw open the borders to millions of non-vetted migrants coming from a part of the world where the most threats to the West emanate from.

Sure what could go wrong........:rolleyes:

What's up with the political generation running the place currently? Those folks born in the 1950's/60's who're the big decision makers now.

The worst political generation in the post-WWII world by a major major distance. Incapable of realpolitik, incapable of pragmatism.
 
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Old Mr Grouser

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The Navies of Europe have been Shuttling fleeing people across the Med for years now. Most of these people are Muslims. They must be protected where they are at risk ...

It is time to build a one or more havens in North Africa for the Fleeing People .....
Do you know any Muslims, Hans?

Have you ever been to North Africa?


 

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Interesting suggestion OP. Not as outlandish as some would have it.
What is very outlandish , is muslims(or anybody else) moving to a continent that is anathema to their core beliefs.
Why do they even do that ?
It would be worthwhile , imo, to create cities and communites in North Africa that were 'european' in design,for refugees. Kind of like 'try before you buy'.
Im sure 'lefties' would poo poo this idea.This is because SWJ types are inherently racist and they dont believe north africa or the middle east has the potential for radical societal change in any form. It is the(left leaning) european mans/womans burden to help the poor devils.:rolleyes:
 

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Renewable Energy is the energy of the future. North Africa has an abundance of solar energy to run desalination, cheap electricity etc.
What's up with the political generation running the place currently? Those folks born in the 1950's/60's who're the big decision makers now.
Lads, you are getting close but have not yet understood. Here's a clue - politicians do not run the place.

The African continent could and should be the most affluent in the world. They have the most abundant natural resources to do so but foreign commercial interests have deprived the majority in favour of the few. We think we know what austerity is but it is incomparable to the experience of the vast majority of the inhabitants of the African continent.

Africa has been plundered and we are but a few years behind them. Check out who is profiting from the collapse and supposed subsequent revival of the Irish economy. It is certainly not the youth of our country who have already, and continue to do so, emigrate in huge numbers to foreign countries or the elderly - who built the country but have suffered huge cuts to their social welfare entitlements.

Much as Europe is facing a crisis due to commercial based mass immigration policies we must always remember that the majority of the people on those boats are victims of political decisions which have been influenced by vested interests.

Know your enemy is basically what I am saying. Stirring up discontent against the refugees is doing little more than creating a distraction which enables politicians and - crucially - their funders, to distance themselves from the consequences of their actions.
 

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We could give them the land taken from Palestine and move the fairly recent settlers in said land
 

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Zataari 'our desert home' .

One can find this week on bbc iplayer an 'in-depth' (certainly prolonged) contribution to the TV coverage of the Syrian refugee crisis, 'The Refugee Camp: our Desert Home'.

80,000 people live in 24,000 dwellings (now pre-fab cabins, initially tents) in north Jordan near the Syrian border, with 9 hospitals or medical centres, four supermarkets and comprehensive schooling. For the present each family receives drinking water delivered by trucks to that household's water tank; from next year the [carefully] rationed water will be piped.

The TV coverage is a bit 'happy clappy', but that's not entirely faked; in Zataari a lot of people are living together amicably and improving their lives. There's births deaths and marriages, employment, and self-employment. The donors have a policy of employing the refugees. Jordan provides policing, for which it recieves funding. There's a lot of healthy looking young men, who still seem to be part of their families, whom the various militias and the heinous Assad regime must be eyeing covetously, but who appear happy to sit out the war, unmoved by the recruiting adverts. The camp costs £320,000 per day to run ie £117 million per year (compared with settling 80,000 people in Europe, that's an absolute bargain) which is provided by the UN and 'charities' [possibly Islamic or gulf states]. I would not entirely believe this is a happy place, but it is a hopeful one; these people believe they are coming up from 'rock bottom'.

Jordan is not a signatory of the Geneva Protocol on Refugees, and is not saddled with the extra obligations the EU has manoeuvered member States into. The population of Zataari do not have employment rights, are obliged to live within the camp, and need permission to travel outside. They do not become Jordanian citizens after the passage of time, or eventually enjoy rights that are the equivalent of citizenship. The expectation is that they are 'going home'.
Jordan is a party to the conflict, in that it wants an outcome which enables all the refugees it is sheltering to return to their own country.

Jordan has, possibly, the largest number of refugees per indigenous population of any country ( the numbers include Palestinians as well as Syrians).

David Cameron was one of the few EU leaders who declined to see 'the refugee crisis' in terms of, 'how do we find more housing and career opportunities in Europe?', and instead had an explicit policy of improving conditions in the refugee camps around Syria.
 

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Good post OP. I think most people are waking up to whats actually going on now in terms of the forced acceptance of the Islamic project from the elite and lefties. We need a mature conversation started about the immediate shutting down of the Mosque in Clonskeagh as in all likelihood it is being used as a staging point for extreme Islam.
 

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Well the "Culture" bit is the PC word for brainwashed fooking eejits from the stone age but of course it cannot be called that. Women Cannot marry non-believers but the men can and the kids must be brought up as believers ? ehh,, talk about an in your face colonisation ?

Europe needs to really wake up and Merkel should be arrested on sight, there is no upside to this, no reasonable argument for it over the long term, no possible good end game only fooking conflict.

I have had a couple of run-ins with utter hate filled muslim guys that only wish to dominate and control everything, I wonder where they got that from ?

No mosque should be ever constructed on EU soil, it is only a beachhead.
I though freedom of religion was guaranteed in Europe. First it is stop building Mosques, next Kingdom Hall's (Jehovahs witness) then it will be Christian churches.
Posters want to ban Religion if you ask me. This is borderline Communism in my view.
 

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Good post OP. I think most people are waking up to whats actually going on now in terms of the forced acceptance of the Islamic project from the elite and lefties. We need a mature conversation started about the immediate shutting down of the Mosque in Clonskeagh as in all likelihood it is being used as a staging point for extreme Islam.
What happened to freedom of Religion?. Shut down Mosques today what will it be then- Christian Churches???. I mean the "War on Terror" resulted in the near collapse of the Christian community in Iraq, not the Muslim or Atheist or Hindu one.
Yeah Freedom of Religion is ok- so long as it does'nt apply to Islam it seems!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/06/syrian-refugee-camp-bombing-airstrikes-sarmada-un-msf
 
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An Atheist Secular Europe will not work either. Part of the reason "Islam" seems such a threat is that Western European governments abandoned Christianity years ago. Especially countries like the UK, France/Germany, and Russia.
3 countries heavily involved in the Middle East coincedentally. Maybe if these countries spent more time effort and money in looking after their own people and less time interfering.
 

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We could give them the land taken from Palestine and move the fairly recent settlers in said land
We have an attempt to create a "statelet" to absorb some of the refugees- The Palestinian authority statelet. But unfortunately even this very modest attempt to solve the Palestinian refugee problem is being undermined, largely by the EU and USA. So this leads me to believe that ethnic cleansing and chaos are deliberately being used by the said governments to create the crisis.
 

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Even in the UN camps in Jordan/Lebanon, only a certain number of people are allowed in each day in order to screen people to try to stop terrorists infiltrating the camps and radicalising people. Europe on the other hand lets in millions, many of them have vanished into the ether. We don't know who they are or what they're here for. Bringing these followers of a Dark Ages, pedophile death cult to the West is the worst possible way of dealing with it. They should be left in the UN camps or moved to one of the 50 Muslim countries.
 

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If they put it right beside Israel and called it Syria would that be OK?
 

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