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To do list for a new FG-Lab Government


dent

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It occurred to me, as a result of the discussions on the de-nazification of Fianna Fail thread, that Fine Gael and Labour should really be making plans NOW, for entry into government.

We've seen with Obama, that even though the Republicans caused the mess, the tables were very quickly turned against him. FG-Lab need to be very careful how they begin their new term, as we know perception is everything.

They need to be able to hit the ground running in a business like manner, at the very least to give the public confidence in them over the longer term. Both parties should be making these plans together, in private and in secrecy, especially as they will be showing how distinct they are, in the leadup to the next election.

With that in mind, what would you like a FG-Labour government to tackle ?

The following is my wishlist, in no particular order and not exhaustive....

1) Economy

- We need to know how bad things are. I'm sure FF are still hiding the truth. Get EVERYTHING out in the open. The markets will appreciate it, the public will also. At the moment, it's like death by a thousand cuts.

- Review/Change the FF 4 year plan. The emphasis in cuts/taxes is highly likely to be badly structured.

- NAMA/Anglo. Can we get out of it ? Is Peter Mathews right that this can be shut down at a far lower cost ? Is too late even for that ?

- Stand up to the EU bullies like Rehn. We have more muscle than we are currently displaying. We must do what is right for Ireland, not what is right for Rehn etc.

- Invest in major infrastructure projects the will benefit the country, like the National Broadband implementation, immediately.

2) De-FiannaFailisation.

- We, the public, want to see the FF Developers/Bertie crushed, bankrupted and chased down for every last cent of hidden funds. It's part of the healing process....

- Quangos. FG-Lab have an opportunity to clear out/get rid of the Quangos that are loaded with FF free loaders. For the Quangos that remain, the challenge they have is not to replace them with FG-Lab freeloaders but bring in a system
that selects the best qualified person for the job.

- The public also want to see action on Fianna Fail criminality. There are HUGE potential PR wins for a new Government here. As i suggested on the De-nazification thread that "People recoil at tribunals, but the ones set up from 1997 by FF were never meant to get results. Consequently, 3 or 4 McCracken style tribunals with draconian powers working alongside a focused CAB would be helpful as well."

- One of worst FF Quangos has been the DAA, the old Aer Rianta. They went out of their way to run Shannon and Cork Airports into the ground, leaving Cork in the height of debt, Shannon powerless to act, while giving outrageously over priced contracts to their cronies.

All this while building a lavish monument to their own vanity. A FG-Lab government needs to make Shannon and Cork independent and debt free. It also needs to divest itself of Aer Lingus shares, who have long since ceased to be the national airline.

They also need to call Aer Lingus and Ryanair's bluff re the Travel tax by dropping the tax in return for delivering tourists into the country.

The emphasis should be on reducing the landing charges to a minimal amount for the next 5 years to encourage people to visit. Airports are currently like a closed watertap stopping the flow. Make it easy for people to visit.

- The Freedom of information Act must be restored to when it was originally brought in by FG-LAB.

- We need proper regulation in the banking sector with the proper enforcement powers. It should be illegal for a regulator for mix socially with bankers.

- Can we have a CAB for Fitzy and the boys ? Can we withdraw their citizenship ?

- Why haven't the likes of Ernst & Young, who signed off on the Anglo accounts, not been held to account for their incompetence ?

3) Property

- While the return from Stamp Duty is so poor, we need to significantly lower Stamp Duty while bringing in a property tax, so we are never again dependent on once off property taxes.

- We need a tightly regulated LICENCED Estate Agent sector. It should be a criminal offence and loss of licence, for an Estate Agent to engage in phantom bidding and deliberate underselling etc.

- I believe the excuse for not publishing the price a property was sold for, is supposed to be a Data Protection issue. If so, it must be changed immediately. The price of every
property sold must be freely available, as it will help keep a proper perspective on the rise/fall of prices, and it could also help in tax evasion issues.

4) Green Policies

Those that affect the economy negatively, must be discarded.

5) Health

- James Reilly has talked the talk. Let's see if he can now turn this mess around. The top heavy management in the HSE must be vastly reduced. I would like to see Despicable Mary's attempted Americanisation of our health service to be reversed if possible, especially those co-located hospitals.

I don't understand why FG or Labour haven't set up phone numbers where people can confidentially call about waste in the Public/Civil Service.

6) Tax

- The mandarins in the Civil Service have to be made take bigger cuts. You can bring people with you on taxes if they see it is fair. However, you'll only wreck public confidence if they see themselves taking the hit, while the elite get away with less than what they should be paying.

- Tax loopholes should be closed, especially this 180 day nonsense.
 

roc_

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Don't be fooling yourself.

If FG-Labour get in (or any other combination of the incumbent parties who live in the Dail or county councils), it will be business as usual. - Perhaps a couple of harmless sops will be thrown out to try and assuage public opinion.

Why? - Because any and all members of these political parties were each and all players in the 'game' that comprises the symbiosis between Irish politics and Irish business. In particular, their party institutions, of which members today are merely a 'personification' of, were players in the game.

They played along with this game, holding a certain set of values and assumptions - do you really think they are going to change these set of values and assumptions and show themselves up as having colluded in propagating a wrong set of values and assumptions in the past?

No - any chance of decency, fairness, integrity, social justice and common sense in the political and business structures of this island is going to require a sea-change. It will come.
 

Congalltee

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Purge Rte, quangos.
Give a lot of resources to director of corporate enforcement, financial regulator, gardai, dpp, cab, sipo to investigate any FF related fraud.
Rip up Croke Park agreement.
Get as much cuts out of way in the first one hundred days.
Diversify ownership of the press and local radio.
Merge constituencies.
Have smaller dail.
Merge many local authorities - do not allow them a political base.

Make being in Fianna Fail socially unacceptable.
Tie them up in litigation to bankrupt the party.

The next election does not matter. It is the one after that which is vital.
 

myksav

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Hey, why not just declare Fianna Fáil an illegal organisation and intern the lot to them and their supporters?

Of course, you'll also have to change the cap badges of the Irish military, seeing as the FF is enshrined there. :lol:
 

dent

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Don't be fooling yourself.

If FG-Labour get in (or any other combination of the incumbent parties who live in the Dail or county councils), it will be business as usual. - Perhaps a couple of harmless sops will be thrown out to try and assuage public opinion.

Why? - Because any and all members of these political parties were each and all players in the 'game' that comprises the symbiosis between Irish politics and Irish business. In particular, their party institutions, of which members today are merely a 'personification' of, were players in the game.

They played along with this game, holding a certain set of values and assumptions - do you really think they are going to change these set of values and assumptions and show themselves up as having colluded in propagating a wrong set of values and assumptions in the past?

No - any chance of decency, fairness, integrity, social justice and common sense in the political and business structures of this island is going to require a sea-change. It will come.
There is a potential that could happen, however, there is also a chance that by doing the right thing, they have a huge chance of governing for a long time to come, and marginalising FF still further.

The sea-change is happening regardless, and despite what some may wish to think here, I can't see FF ever getting back to the 40+% that they once had. The 15% drop that FF suffered in the last Locals, were people who had always voted FF - that's a huge change in itself. All going well, FG-Lab will have a massive majority in the next Dail and that will allow them to implement the necessary policies. As long as what they bring in, is fair, then the public will go along with it, but it is vital that it is fair.
 

Tomas Mor

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It occurred to me, as a result of the discussions on the de-nazification of Fianna Fail thread, that Fine Gael and Labour should really be making plans NOW, for entry into government.

We've seen with Obama, that even though the Republicans caused the mess, the tables were very quickly turned against him. FG-Lab need to be very careful how they begin their new term, as we know perception is everything.

They need to be able to hit the ground running in a business like manner, at the very least to give the public confidence in them over the longer term. Both parties should be making these plans together, in private and in secrecy, especially as they will be showing how distinct they are, in the leadup to the next election.

With that in mind, what would you like a FG-Labour government to tackle ?

The following is my wishlist, in no particular order and not exhaustive....

1) Economy

- We need to know how bad things are. I'm sure FF are still hiding the truth. Get EVERYTHING out in the open. The markets will appreciate it, the public will also. At the moment, it's like death by a thousand cuts.

- Review/Change the FF 4 year plan. The emphasis in cuts/taxes is highly likely to be badly structured.

- NAMA/Anglo. Can we get out of it ? Is Peter Mathews right that this can be shut down at a far lower cost ? Is too late even for that ?

- Stand up to the EU bullies like Rehn. We have more muscle than we are currently displaying. We must do what is right for Ireland, not what is right for Rehn etc.

- Invest in major infrastructure projects the will benefit the country, like the National Broadband implementation, immediately.

2) De-FiannaFailisation.

- We, the public, want to see the FF Developers/Bertie crushed, bankrupted and chased down for every last cent of hidden funds. It's part of the healing process....

- Quangos. FG-Lab have an opportunity to clear out/get rid of the Quangos that are loaded with FF free loaders. For the Quangos that remain, the challenge they have is not to replace them with FG-Lab freeloaders but bring in a system
that selects the best qualified person for the job.

- The public also want to see action on Fianna Fail criminality. There are HUGE potential PR wins for a new Government here. As i suggested on the De-nazification thread that "People recoil at tribunals, but the ones set up from 1997 by FF were never meant to get results. Consequently, 3 or 4 McCracken style tribunals with draconian powers working alongside a focused CAB would be helpful as well."

- One of worst FF Quangos has been the DAA, the old Aer Rianta. They went out of their way to run Shannon and Cork Airports into the ground, leaving Cork in the height of debt, Shannon powerless to act, while giving outrageously over priced contracts to their cronies.

All this while building a lavish monument to their own vanity. A FG-Lab government needs to make Shannon and Cork independent and debt free. It also needs to divest itself of Aer Lingus shares, who have long since ceased to be the national airline.

They also need to call Aer Lingus and Ryanair's bluff re the Travel tax by dropping the tax in return for delivering tourists into the country.

The emphasis should be on reducing the landing charges to a minimal amount for the next 5 years to encourage people to visit. Airports are currently like a closed watertap stopping the flow. Make it easy for people to visit.

- The Freedom of information Act must be restored to when it was originally brought in by FG-LAB.

- We need proper regulation in the banking sector with the proper enforcement powers. It should be illegal for a regulator for mix socially with bankers.

- Can we have a CAB for Fitzy and the boys ? Can we withdraw their citizenship ?

- Why haven't the likes of Ernst & Young, who signed off on the Anglo accounts, not been held to account for their incompetence ?

3) Property

- While the return from Stamp Duty is so poor, we need to significantly lower Stamp Duty while bringing in a property tax, so we are never again dependent on once off property taxes.

- We need a tightly regulated LICENCED Estate Agent sector. It should be a criminal offence and loss of licence, for an Estate Agent to engage in phantom bidding and deliberate underselling etc.

- I believe the excuse for not publishing the price a property was sold for, is supposed to be a Data Protection issue. If so, it must be changed immediately. The price of every
property sold must be freely available, as it will help keep a proper perspective on the rise/fall of prices, and it could also help in tax evasion issues.

4) Green Policies

Those that affect the economy negatively, must be discarded.

5) Health

- James Reilly has talked the talk. Let's see if he can now turn this mess around. The top heavy management in the HSE must be vastly reduced. I would like to see Despicable Mary's attempted Americanisation of our health service to be reversed if possible, especially those co-located hospitals.

I don't understand why FG or Labour haven't set up phone numbers where people can confidentially call about waste in the Public/Civil Service.

6) Tax

- The mandarins in the Civil Service have to be made take bigger cuts. You can bring people with you on taxes if they see it is fair. However, you'll only wreck public confidence if they see themselves taking the hit, while the elite get away with less than what they should be paying.

- Tax loopholes should be closed, especially this 180 day nonsense.

A very good start that would be,and if any future FG/Lab Gov do not shape up along those lines they are doomed to failure also. They will have a great chance as the people realise the old day are over,and people will rise to them if they act accordingly as they know why we arfe in such a mess. How did it comed to this, gombeen politics,cronyism, building, banking, pork barrell rulers have ruined us. It is time of great opportunity for them, I hope they do not blow it.
 

RahenyFG

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-create employment and in turn reduce unemployment

-reduce the national debt

-make Anglo Irish Bank's shareholders incur more of the cost of the bank bailout

-shut down NAMA

-cut ministers pay

-improve health services

-increase Gardai numbers

-have the top banking figures brought to court or jail for their recklessness

many more that I could go on all day about.....
 
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So you bunch of halfwits have already decided that you will

Introduced internment
Tear up every law you can think of
Attempt to destroy every business you can think of


and you assume that its ok

Bhahahahahaha
 

dent

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So you bunch of halfwits have already decided that you will

Introduced internment
Tear up every law you can think of
Attempt to destroy every business you can think of


and you assume that its ok

Bhahahahahaha
Had a bad day then ?
 

Cael

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Anyone who thinks FG and Labour will change anything are simple cretins.
 

ocoonassa

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Don't be fooling yourself.

If FG-Labour get in (or any other combination of the incumbent parties who live in the Dail or county councils), it will be business as usual. - Perhaps a couple of harmless sops will be thrown out to try and assuage public opinion.

Why? - Because any and all members of these political parties were each and all players in the 'game' that comprises the symbiosis between Irish politics and Irish business. In particular, their party institutions, of which members today are merely a 'personification' of, were players in the game.

They played along with this game, holding a certain set of values and assumptions - do you really think they are going to change these set of values and assumptions and show themselves up as having colluded in propagating a wrong set of values and assumptions in the past?

No - any chance of decency, fairness, integrity, social justice and common sense in the political and business structures of this island is going to require a sea-change. It will come.
Well said that man, I kind of think there's too much apathy in the land but I hope you're right about the sea change, if it doesn't come very soon then it's time to leave I'm thinking.
 
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Well said that man, I kind of think there's too much apathy in the land but I hope you're right about the sea change, if it doesn't come very soon then it's time to leave I'm thinking.
Don't let the door hit your fat a** as you leave.
 

Mushroom

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Funny day really watching idiots wishing to destroy every law to achieve nothing.
Sounds like you were a fly on the wall at the Cabinet meeting.
 
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You may have the wrong thread.
Nope I read exactly what was posted and laughed at its stupidity.

Lets see Shareholders in Anglo have already lost their investment so now some idiot wants to target shareholders who bought those shares many many years after the company went public to do what again ?

Increase investment in Infrastructure ????? Just where have you been for 13 years ?

You claim taxes not in right place but provide zero emphasis on where as if there was then perhaps those who collect it would know it.

As for the idea that Cork airport would be better run Independent then perhaps explain how Cork board invested €200 million in an airport that carrys 3 million passengers a year at peak and that is declining rapidly. This investment is not recoverable in a 25 year timescale onh any commercial scale.

As for Shannon ? Remove US forces transiting and its shown it to be going nowhere rapidly.
 

Mushroom

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Anyone who thinks FG and Labour will change anything are simple cretins.

Whereas you, of course, are an extremely complex cretin!

Very droll - it's refreshing to read that the looniest of loonie lefties has a sense of humour.
 

dent

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Nope I read exactly what was posted and laughed at its stupidity.
Perhaps you were looking at your own posts.

Lets see Shareholders in Anglo have already lost their investment so now some idiot wants to target shareholders who bought those shares many many years after the company went public to do what again ?
Posted by another poster who has obviously mixed up shareholder and bondholder, but then that went over your head.

Increase investment in Infrastructure ????? Just where have you been for 13 years ?
And we still have a crap National Broadband infrastructure, which is the example I specifically mentioned. :roll:

You claim taxes not in right place but provide zero emphasis on where as if there was then perhaps those who collect it would know it.
Are you drunk ? :confused:

As for the idea that Cork airport would be better run Independent then perhaps explain how Cork board invested €200 million in an airport that carrys 3 million passengers a year at peak and that is declining rapidly. This investment is not recoverable in a 25 year timescale onh any commercial scale.
You clearly haven't a clue, to post a factually stupid statement like that.

As for Shannon ? Remove US forces transiting and its shown it to be going nowhere rapidly.
As above.
 

myksav

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So you bunch of halfwits have already decided that you will

Introduced internment
Tear up every law you can think of
Attempt to destroy every business you can think of


and you assume that its ok

Bhahahahahaha
Ah shur, why not? Care to join us? You've got a good evil laugh there.
 
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