Tobacco: Health Crime Price Tax

Éireann go Brách

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The government has consistently raised Tobacco taxes
in order
1: improve health
2: raise money

However
Organised crime and low level crimnals
have subverted this policy by importing cheap fags from Eastern europe etc

So the result of high tax is

1: less tax
2: little fall in tobacco consumption related to price as cheap fags available
3: monies generated for organsied crime including Dissident elements
4: Health issues as a result of imported fags counterfeits from
untrusted sources (dirty fags)

Why does the government not lower the price
and use other methods to reduce fag consumption
such as education and health insurance levys.

Its a no-brainer, no?
 


The OD

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The government has consistently raised Tobacco taxes
in order
1: improve health
2: raise money

However
Organised crime and low level crimnals
have subverted this policy by importing cheap fags from Eastern europe etc

So the result of high tax is

1: less tax
2: little fall in tobacco consumption related to price as cheap fags available
3: monies generated for organsied crime including Dissident elements
4: Health issues as a result of imported fags counterfeits from
untrusted sources (dirty fags)

Why does the government not lower the price
and use other methods to reduce fag consumption
such as education and health insurance levys.

Its a no-brainer, no?
Lets get one thing clear - the cigarettes being sold by the scumbags in Dublin City centre are certainly NOT cheap eastern european brands, they are counterfeit chinese knockoffs that are, even by tobacco standards, highly toxic and will cause far more tobacco related illness than even normal, 'proper' cigarettes. I smoke, although I am gradually cutting them out slowly, down from a pack a day to 4 or 5, hopefully, in the new year, I will give them up completely. I tried last year and only lasted a few months, I see adverts about giving up cigarettes and they all say the same thing - go see your GP. Who will:

Cost at least 50 quid to tell you fags are bad.
Will either try to prescribe drugs to you.
Advise you to buy overly expensive nicotine based products.
Not really help at all in the slightest.

Now, more than ever, people will look to the small pleasures in life. For people who have never smoked, don't even try to get involved in the debate as you have no idea how insidious and addictive cigarettes are and no one is interested in your opinion about how people shouldn't smoke, we know we shouldn't and wish we didn't start, but at 15, I was thick as a plank and that's the reality of the situation. I hate smoking, I really want to give them up, they stink, they make me cough, they exclude me in most social situations and they are a bloody expensive way to kill yourself.

What we need is something more than just stupid ads that can only help those who can afford it, but considering we have a government who cant even do simple addition and subtraction, I guess you are on your own. It was ever thus, alas.....:(
 

Éireann go Brách

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What we need is something more than just stupid ads that can only help those who can afford it, but considering we have a government who cant even do simple addition and subtraction, I guess you are on your own. It was ever thus, alas.....:(
Why not

lower the price to undercut the crimnal smugglers?
Harsh sentences to those cut smuggling counterfeit tobacco(essentially poison)?
education programs in schools(probally in place already)

increased smoking bans for example ban smoking while pregant ban smoking
in a car or house with child present.

Also smokers have to pay extra in PRSI or health insurance to cover the costs their own health problems.

Any one got other ideas?

The point of the OP is that settings high taxes to stop fag consumpation
is stupid and counterproductive.
 

The OD

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FYI
The HSE provides a free quit smoking service outined here
Have you actually tried it? If not, I advise you (for a good laugh) to give them a call. Its a bit like the National Consumer Agency - nice website, lots of buzz words and then......

Another example of a pointless exercise in a pointless country ruled by pointless people.
 


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