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Today is Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day


L'Chaim

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The Armenian Genocide was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian subjects from their historic homeland in the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. It took place during and after World War I and was implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and forced labor, and the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches to the Syrian Desert. The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million. The Assyrians, the Greeks and other minority groups were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy.

It is acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides, as scholars point to the organised manner in which the killings were carried out to eliminate the Armenians, and it is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust. The word genocide was coined in order to describe these events.

April 24 is Armenian Genocide Remembrance day and so far only twenty one countries recognise the events of WWI as a genocide by the Turkish Ottoman's against the Armenians. Should we be calling for the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide to be recognised at last, especially by Turkey, where there is ferocious opposition to recognising these events as genocide?
 
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Ramon Mercadar

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Why does this make Turkey angry?

Do they maintain it didn't happen, or just that it did but it wasn't genocide?
Just another type of Holocaust Denial.
 

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Why does this make Turkey angry?

Do they maintain it didn't happen, or just that it did but it wasn't genocide?
Turkey has always denied that it was genocide. They claim the Armenians were casualties of WW1 rather than a concerted effort to wipe them out!
 

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Why does this make Turkey angry?

Do they maintain it didn't happen, or just that it did but it wasn't genocide?
They vehemently deny there was genocide of the Armenian people, which there was, and gets very angry if a country recognises the events of the First World War as genocide. France did and Ankara threw a wobbly, recalling its ambassador for a short time. It's just one more reason why Turkey isn't fit to join the EU, not now, not ever; and the EU Council allowing negotiations on membership to continue is a complete farce.
 

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There has been a whole host of these genocides - the latest involving the Palestinians
 

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They vehemently deny there was genocide of the Armenian people, which there was, and gets very angry if a country recognises the events of the First World War as genocide. France did and Ankara threw a wobbly, recalling its ambassador for a short time. It's just one more reason why Turkey isn't fit to join the EU, not now, not ever; and the EU Council allowing negotiations on membership to continue is a complete farce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_denial
 

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This was a religion-based genocide.

Armenia was the site of the world's first Christian Church.
 

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While much smaller in numbers, in some respects the Armenian Genocide in some respects was even more barbaric than the Holocaust. Accounts I've read speak of thousands being burned alive. There was also the little known Greek Genocide of the Greeks of Turkey such as Pontus.
 

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Turkey's most shameful hour.
 

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From the article:

Turkey’s embassy to the Holy See cancelled a press conference planned for Sunday after learning that the pope would utter the word “genocide” over its objections.

Muslim Turkey accepts many Christian Armenians died in partisan fighting beginning in 1915, but it denies that hundreds of thousands were killed and that this amounted to "genocide".

In 2014, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan offered condolences to the grandchildren of all the Armenians who lost their lives for the first time.

But he also said that it was inadmissible for Armenia to turn the issue "into a matter of political conflict".
Is there an agenda behind this from the Vatican, I wonder? What with all that's going on with Turkey/Syria, ISIS, it feels like a continuation of the Crusades.
 

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We would not allow a Holocaust denying Germany into the EU so neither should Turkey be admitted. It's time for Ireland to recognise the Armenian Genocide.
 

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From the article:



Is there an agenda behind this from the Vatican, I wonder? What with all that's going on with Turkey/Syria, ISIS, it feels like a continuation of the Crusades.
I don't think the Vatican is in favour of a new Crusade. The Vatican probably did want to draw parallels about the genocide of religious minorities in ISIS controlled territory, nothing wrong with that the Armenian Genocide was a religious genocide and what is happening in ISIS territory is a religious genocide.
 
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It is time for Turkey to make up it's mind in relation to human and civil rights.

The Armenian Genocide, the expulsion of Greeks, The grab of Northern Cyrpus, allowing weaponry into Syria to Al Nusra, the current dithering over ISIS, the treatment of the Kurdish people, etc..

Also the attempts of the current regime to create a false flag incident to facilitate entering Syria, and numerous attempts to enforce a more rigid religious doctrine.
 

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From the article:



Is there an agenda behind this from the Vatican, I wonder? What with all that's going on with Turkey/Syria, ISIS, it feels like a continuation of the Crusades.
Ya there is an agenda, its recognizing the atrocities that were perpetrated by the Turks on the Armenians and has fu*k all to do with the crusades. Over 1.5 million people were killed by the Turks by tieing a group of people together, pushing them into a river and shooting the last one in the line or gassing them by putting them in a cave and lighting a fire near the entrance to suck out the oxygen .
 

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Ya there is an agenda, its recognizing the atrocities that were perpetrated by the Turks on the Armenians and has fu*k all to do with the crusades. Over 1.5 million people were killed by the Turks by tieing a group of people together, pushing them into a river and shooting the last one in the line or gassing them by putting them in a cave and lighting a fire near the entrance to suck out the oxygen .
 

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Where the Mufti cut his teeth.

Amin Al Husseini: Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood

1914-1917 Husseini’s First Taste of Jihad

Amin Al-Husseini swears allegiance to the Ottoman Empire during the Armenian genocide . [ii] He is an officer stationed in Smyrna and participates first-hand in the Armenian genocide. One and a half million Christians are slaughtered under the sword of Islamic Jihad by the Ottoman Army. Allegiance to Ottoman Empire and Islamic world take-over will be echoed by Osama Bin Laden in his post-September 11th declaration [iii]4
 
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