Too many politicians in Ireland

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I would be very surprised if most TDs are not getting paid 250k.
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Most TD's have other interests on top of that. A wise man once said, Do you want to know how to get to the top in politics....Owe a lot of money
 


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I believe the councillors are looking for a 50% increase in fees.

Aren`t the councils now controlled by SF IRA and IM FF ?
 

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This actually reads as a p1ss take, but I'll respond as though it's serious. Google, your example, use comparators to set wage levels. Let's go along the same lines and take population size as one of the main variables to set pay levels of politicians once we compare overall pay levels.

Now that would be interesting.

Interesting you mentioned peanuts and monkeys. Pre recession, our politicians were among the best paid in the world. We all know how that turned out.
Why would you use population size as a comparator? Policy doesn't become easier or harder to do depending on the number of people in a country.
 

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Good point, it was calculated a few years ago if America had the same representation per population size, there would be 16,000 congress people and senators, makes you realise what huge cost savings we could achieve here by slashing government jobs and pensions

Go on then, how much could we save?
 

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If Ireland was a normal, sane country it could manage with a unicameral parliament of 100 members max.

But its not. Its a messy tribal melange.
A majority of people who voted in 2013 wanted to keep the Seanad. Regarding the number of TDS we only need 100-110 TDS max.
 

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The issue isn’t the number of politicians. It’s the quality of the ones we elect. The majority of our TDs are glorified county councillors and the electorate rarely will elect decent national legislators.

We need to move away from the current system and a have a mixed member or list based system. Then combine that with a proper local government system, that has real devolved powers and can raise its own taxes
 

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The issue isn’t the number of politicians. It’s the quality of the ones we elect. The majority of our TDs are glorified county councillors and the electorate rarely will elect decent national legislators.

We need to move away from the current system and a have a mixed member or list based system. Then combine that with a proper local government system, that has real devolved powers and can raise its own taxes
If they were any use to the people, the media would do everything possible to influence public opinion in such a way as to have them replaced by useless, compromised ones.
 

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Go on then, how much could we save?
It's not just about how much we could save, though that's important.

It's also the satisfaction of booting out a heap of these freeloading, corrupt charlatans from the incestuous nest of privilege they have made for themselves.

There is a whole heap of FGers would not be missed from public life, and some downright bad bastards among them.
 

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This old argument.

Ireland has more national politicians than, say, India. If we had the same ratio of MPs to citizens as India we'd have 1.8 members of parliament.

Maybe thats the ideal ratio.
We should just pick a person, one person... let’s call her Joan..and appoint her, the only politician in Ireland, say you are head of the legislature and the executive, the upper house , local government and the Civil Service reports to you...then we should pay her minimum wage , that’d keep p.ie happy... especially if she was strong on keeping foreigners out, didn’t like PRAVDA and hate the shīterimes.
 

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I have a life.
Does anyone really think that those who write the rules to suit themselves, would ever change things for the good of the country or the people. They actually believe that they are needed. 2011 GE was the time for serious change in gov and mindset....and what did we get, Enda. I do not see the chance ever happening again.
 
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We got a chance to get rid of the Seanad.

But media decided to keep it as a talking shop for the inner circle and their cronies.
No. The people decided to keep it as they didn't want power vested solely in Dail eireann
 
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That was not what the country voted, the country voted to keep the seanad
You don't know that as the option of reform wasn't on the ballot paper. There is demand for reform, particularly to have it directly elected.
 

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They say it's not the size that matters, but what you do with it ... :p

In political science, a good rule of thumb is that parliamentary size is usually close to the cube root of the population of the country (most parliaments tend to lie quite close to that formula). According to that formula, we should have about 165 TDs (so fairly close to what we actually have).

OK, there's then the Seanad with its 60 members. But that's really only a toy chamber for failed and wannabe TDs. I doubt we have an excessive amount of local government members either; it's just a pity that local government is such a joke in this country, being shorn of most meaningful powers. Councillors have more a role as mini-/second-tier TDs and trainee TDs in party hierarchies in this country rather than as actually being meaningful local representatives.

We have bigger problems than the size of our political membership. Our "political member" has only a fairly typical size anyway ;) It's not about having a bigger or small "political member". Again, it's not the size that matters, but what you do with it ...
 

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New Zealand has 120 MPS and Its population is only slightly smaller than Ireland and It gets along fine. We will have 160 TDS at the next election.
 

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New Zealand has 120 MPS and Its population is only slightly smaller than Ireland and It gets along fine. We will have 160 TDS at the next election.
Our TDs are strangely silent on how many of them should be deleted in the next election. Funny that
 

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http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/45218

Sinn Féin TD for Louth and East Meath Imelda Munster has called for the process to re-establish town councils, which were abolished under the Labour and Fine Gael coalition government in 2014, to be put in motion.
https://www.independent.ie/regional...-would-bring-back-town-councils-35872374.html
FF: 'Our bill would bring back town councils'
:roll:

SF FF want to bring back hundreds of the useless feckers.

What a joke.
 


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