Turkeys and Christmas come to mindOur TDs are strangely silent on how many of them should be deleted in the next election. Funny that
Like I said, ours were paid the most of any politician pre-crisis. Again, as I said, we all know what happened. I see HBAP liked your post. Of course he did.Politicians are paid too little globally, when compared with the private sector. The result is the people willing to become politicians are either too inept to become private sector top level management, or deranged or corrupt. If we want good people to enter politics we have to pay them competitively.
Because its the people you are "supposed" to be serving. Obviously there would need to be a floor, but after that, I don't see why you shouldn't use population size.Why would you use population size as a comparator? Policy doesn't become easier or harder to do depending on the number of people in a country.
loads of politicians, ************************ all statesmen/womenFor a small country of 4.5 million people we have an awful lot of councillors and members of the Oireachtas. Many of whom don't seem to achieve much.
I also wonder how much value all of our MEPs add in Europe.
If the size of the Dail was slashed by a third, would we really be worse off?
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From wikipedia:This old argument.
Ireland has more national politicians than, say, India. If we had the same ratio of MPs to citizens as India we'd have 1.8 members of parliament.
Maybe thats the ideal ratio.
If you're going to lie, just check out whether a quick glance at Wikipedia will show you up.Members of the lower house of the Indian Parliament (Lok Sabha) were elected in the Indian general election, 2014 held in AprilMay 2014. The total strength of the 16th Lok Sabha is 545, against the approved strength of 552.
It's less the numbers than the savings and efficiencies that accrue. Ms Munster is moaning because Drogheda is now just an adjunct of Louth CC. No harm TBH as it keeps the tiresome public reps off the back of the Council. On the initial OP I notice nobody has mentioned the thorny issue of the Constitution and that to alter the ratio would require us to vote on it. Can't see anyone ever putting that before the people without us suspecting they're pulling a fast one!http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/45218
SF FF want to bring back hundreds of the useless feckers.
What a joke.
Like who?It's not just about how much we could save, though that's important.
It's also the satisfaction of booting out a heap of these freeloading, corrupt charlatans from the incestuous nest of privilege they have made for themselves.
They get elected, don't they? You've the right to vote against them, but not to disrespect the democratic choice made by others.There is a whole heap of FGers would not be missed from public life, and some downright bad bastards among them.
Thats a really silly comparison. GDP is not revenue, its more like a measure of consumer wealth. Further, government income is relatively in elastic compared to corporate revenues by virtue of legal writ and also the reality of how little Amy economy, even in extremes circumstances will expand or contract.We currently spend .0064% of GDP on TD salaries (combined). That is 6 cent per citizen per week.
Pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
We need more and better paid politicians. The Taoiseach should be paid 900k/year and every TD 250/k. With bonuses for GDP growth and social factors like eliminating homelessness, improving HSE waiting lists, and solving the housing crisis.
Take Google. Ireland Inc has a GDP 3 times larger than Google's annual global revenue. Google's board gets paid 300 times more per year than the Irish government ministers.
If you were a top level exec, do you go into politics or into the corporate world? Don't pretend this isn't a single talent market place.
We voted for Enda. Trouble is, as was shown repeatedly during the crisis years, that as a people we're mad keen on all sorts of reforms, right up until we're told they'll involve change.Does anyone really think that those who write the rules to suit themselves, would ever change things for the good of the country or the people. They actually believe that they are needed. 2011 GE was the time for serious change in gov and mindset....and what did we get, Enda. I do not see the chance ever happening again.
There is an issue with who seeks to gain elective office. But I don’t Absolute salary is problem.its the risk for anyone who is a steady middle class job. I think it should be legally enshrined that employees are allowed take leave of absence to seek public office and compensation for first term of office Should be paid by public purse for duration of first term in office If successful.Politicians are paid too little globally, when compared with the private sector. The result is the people willing to become politicians are either too inept to become private sector top level management, or deranged or corrupt. If we want good people to enter politics we have to pay them competitively.
Because once you leave Dublin, you enter a different world, where Ennis/Nenagh/Tullamore/insert name of town as appropriate, has always had a TD, and if those power-hungry b*stards in Dublin get their way, Ennis/Nenagh/Tullamore/insert name of town as appropriate, will never have a TD ever again, and that's exactly what those power-hungry b*stards in Dublin want to do to Ennis/Nenagh/Tullamore/insert name of town as appropriate.Why not?
You've missed my point. A minister's job is to devise and implement policy - that doesn't become either easier or harder depending on the number of people in the country. He's not an administrator calculating payslips in the health service, or devising bus timetables, or suchlike.Because its the people you are "supposed" to be serving. Obviously there would need to be a floor, but after that, I don't see why you shouldn't use population size.
We are hugely over represented by elected officials between the Dail, the Seanad and local councils. Its ridiculous.