Tory MP on sterilization for the unemployed.

Wascurito

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Remember back in the 1980s and 1990s when the Conservative Party in the UK was known as The Nasty Party? That was when they seemed to have an unusually high concentration of raving right-wingers, racists and homophobes. Then they seemed to go all cuddly and centrist for a while - even to the extent of legalizing same sex marriage.

What happened? Perhaps all the nasties decamped to the United Kingdom Independence Party. Well, a recent swath of controversies suggests that the nasties might be trickling back to HMS Tory.

Tory MP for Mansfield (Ben Bradley) who was recently appointed to the role of Conservative Vice-Chairman for Youth has had to apologize after it emerged he had written a blog post suggesting benefit-claimants should have vasectomies.

Bradley said that the UK could be "drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters" without a cap on welfare payments. "Sorry but how many children you have is a choice; if you can't afford them, stop having them! Vasectomies are free." He went on to say, "Families who have never worked a day in their lives having four or five kids and the rest of us having one or two means it's not long before we're drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters that we pay to keep!"

The blog apparently has since been deleted.

RTÉ News: Tory MP apologises for sterilisation comments
 


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He has a point *somewhere* within that vitriolic outburst regarding lifers on the dole. Vasectomies are not the answer however.
 

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Guess who will be on the dole after the next election?

Though, as a Tory waster, he will probably live in comfortable idleness on the backs of tenants and the under-paid.
 

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He has a point *somewhere* within that vitriolic outburst regarding lifers on the dole. Vasectomies are not the answer however.
Maybe his point was that the Conservative Party over the last forty years have left whole sections of society fall between the cracks.
 

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He does have some sort of a point. But in a country where himself, his peers and thousands of other lords, ladies, dukes, dutchesses, princes, princesses, kinds and queens and a whole host of others are effectively inter-generational welfare claimants who get paid a rate of welfare multiples that of the average UK wage he doesn't really.

Is he proposing that Prince Harry should get a vasectomy?
Didn't his wife to be turn up to an engagement party in a £60,000 dress? If a more average dole sponger done same it'd be the front page of every tabloid in town and the condemnation would be deafening. They like a certain kind of sponger in the UK. If you're going to sponge then think big, that's the message.
 

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The Conservative Party now is pretty much looney Right again and became such again under "Call me Dave".
 

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The Nazis also believed in sterilisation of so called "undesirables", among whom they included those considered "workshy" - by which they meant unemployed.
 

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No need for sterlization.

Television is very effective at neutering people.
 

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He has a point *somewhere* within that vitriolic outburst regarding lifers on the dole. Vasectomies are not the answer however.
Nope. The illegitimate children of Tory Grandees tend to live more cloistered and privileged lives and aren't a drain on teh welfare state. Therefore only the plebs need to get neutered.
 

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The Nazis also believed in sterilisation of so called "undesirables", among whom they included those considered "workshy" - by which they meant unemployed.
And the second you start talking about vasectomies as opposed to education and self betterment, you're kind of into that eugenics discussion which is bad. There's an obvious truth that if you're too poor to feed 3 kids you shouldn't have a 4th.

But he was 22. People are dumb at 22.
 

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Remember back in the 1980s and 1990s when the Conservative Party in the UK was known as The Nasty Party? That was when they seemed to have an unusually high concentration of raving right-wingers, racists and homophobes. Then they seemed to go all cuddly and centrist for a while - even to the extent of legalizing same sex marriage.

What happened? Perhaps all the nasties decamped to the United Kingdom Independence Party. Well, a recent swath of controversies suggests that the nasties might be trickling back to HMS Tory.

Tory MP for Mansfield (Ben Bradley) who was recently appointed to the role of Conservative Vice-Chairman for Youth has had to apologize after it emerged he had written a blog post suggesting benefit-claimants should have vasectomies.

Bradley said that the UK could be "drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters" without a cap on welfare payments. "Sorry but how many children you have is a choice; if you can't afford them, stop having them! Vasectomies are free." He went on to say, "Families who have never worked a day in their lives having four or five kids and the rest of us having one or two means it's not long before we're drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters that we pay to keep!"

The blog apparently has since been deleted.

RTÉ News: Tory MP apologises for sterilisation comments
legalizing same sex marriage.

Centrist?

SSM is about as Right Wing as it gets!

As for your main point while I don't believe in cutting the balls off the LTE

- they should definitely not pay out SW benefits to couples who never work & continue to have more kids

Family I know told me their neighbours a couple have four kids, no jobs and a car in the driveway....

Go figure

And yes they are Irish
 

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He has a point *somewhere* within that vitriolic outburst regarding lifers on the dole. Vasectomies are not the answer however.
Yet abortion is.

(Couldn't resist)
 

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The Nazis also believed in sterilisation of so called "undesirables", among whom they included those considered "workshy" - by which they meant unemployed.
Nazi policy on euthanasia, sterilisation, abortion and childbirth were devised and designed to ensure the extermination of those whom the they deemed had "lives not worth living."
 

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Surely contraception is a much better solution in cases like this if you can't afford to have children then put something on the other end when you have sex why more don't is totally baffling it would save a whole lot of trouble.
 

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You can't just have a a goup of people who simply don't feel like working while having lots of kids, demanding free houses, free health services, free education etc to be paid for by others and all the admin and structural costs that go with that.
Then the kids grow up and do the exact same thing and it's their norm.
And then you have loads of idle bored people who start drifting into anti social activity and then on into crime. It's a horrible situation being foisted by these types upon a) their own kids who are biorn into a doomed scenario and b) the good ordinary working people trying to build a life for themsleves and their kids. That policy has been a catastrophe. Hundreds of thousands of people have been disastrously affected by it. It cannot just go on and on for ever.
 

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Surely contraception is a much better solution in cases like this if you can't afford to have children then put something on the other end when you have sex why more don't is totally baffling it would save a whole lot of trouble.
Yeah but the implication in the guy's blog is a sense of permanency a vasectomy brings. The implication that someone who can't afford it now could NEVER afford it in the future.

The piece is so blunt and immature that it's not really worth having the (worthwhile) discussion with the blog as a focus point.
 

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On another thread there is a discussion about a family who had 13 kids and not enough time to attend to their emotional needs, let alone feed them. Needless to say, sterlization was not applied there. Instead, they had an imaginary chum telling them to proceed with general reckless abandon.

Being a parent is a responsibility.

Being on the dole is indicative of opting out of responsibility.

I just wonder if people without responsibility, and who subject their autonomy and personal responsibility, beneath something else (either a state or a belief system) are less suitable for the responsibility of parenting ?
 

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Surely contraception is a much better solution in cases like this if you can't afford to have children then put something on the other end when you have sex why more don't is totally baffling it would save a whole lot of trouble.
Contraception isn't free, for some people they are difficult to use, some people aren't aware of all the options, and when you don't work, and live a hedonistic lifestyle including drug and alcohol abuse there's lots of opportunity for unprotected sex.

The problem here aren't the people themselves. It's the fact that conservative governments have neglected the needs of any people in society. They were either provided with too much welfare so they didn't have to make the effort to improve themselves though education and training (Labour) or ignored and not provided any services at all (Conservative). Either way they got shafted.
 


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