Total separation of the church from the state

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The need for a total separation of the church from the state has long been argued for by socialists and the Socialist Party. Recent developments, both in Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland but also internationally, have put this issue centre stage in political debate. Socialistparty.net argues that the separation of church and state is long overdue.

Society has dramatically changed in the last 20 or 30 years and organised religion no longer has the same control over people.

The scandals that have rocked the Roman Catholic Church around the world have undermined the power and control of that institution. Religion no longer plays as dominant a role in society as in the past. Many people who are believers tend to make their own choices on private matters, such as divorce, contraception and so on.

However it would be a mistake to underestimate the control that the organised churches have on this island. Religion and the state are still intertwined and the influence of the church is strong.

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Ard Eoin

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100% separation....im sick of all of them...
people who know nothing about life lecturing those whose lives are hard enough without these feckers buttin' in....
 

wretchedwilbur

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I totally support your noble aspirations , making waves.

And you're right - the bustards haven't gone away !
 

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Where are our politicans gone, cowering cowardly under the bedsheets, one wonders?


"There is nothing politically right that is morally wrong.” - Daniel O'Connell.
 

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The need for a total separation of the church from the state has long been argued for by socialists and the Socialist Party. Recent developments, both in Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland but also internationally, have put this issue centre stage in political debate. Socialistparty.net argues that the separation of church and state is long overdue.

Society has dramatically changed in the last 20 or 30 years and organised religion no longer has the same control over people.

The scandals that have rocked the Roman Catholic Church around the world have undermined the power and control of that institution. Religion no longer plays as dominant a role in society as in the past. Many people who are believers tend to make their own choices on private matters, such as divorce, contraception and so on.

AMEN TO THAT...:rolleyes:

However it would be a mistake to underestimate the control that the organised churches have on this island. Religion and the state are still intertwined and the influence of the church is strong.

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eoghanacht

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It's a must for any self respecting Republic.
 

blinding

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Damn right. Thats the way to go. The less influence the mumbo jumbo mob have the better.
 

Ingersoll

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All a pipe-dream in this country. Too many sheep.
 

TheMushyStuff

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I agree more separation is needed. People dont for the Blasphemy Law.
 

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Neale Donald Walsch, Condensed

"Choose Active Spirituality Over Passive Religion

In this book, God tells us how to engage Him. He tells us what has gone wrong with our manifesting. Throughout the series by Neale Donald Walsch, He gives us the clues that were echoed in the movie, The Secret, and He tells us without equivocation, what we have done wrong to our world. One of the main problems was that religion took over our spiritual teaching, and the first thing that religion had to do to make us stop believing in ourselves. Why would we listen to them if we had a personal relationship with God? This was the biggest lie, because God has been loving us and talking to us all along. We haven't been listening.

The reason we are here, is to become aware of ourselves. Everything we chose to experience in our lives, (and we only experience what we have chosen) is to help us to experience something that will give us a fuller idea of Who We Are. God, in all His infiniteness and omnipotence, is ALL that there Is. "I am that, I am." God created the Universe so that He could experience Himself, parts of Himself, finite entities of Himself through us.... This is a refrain throughout the books so that we and Neale Donald Walsch can realize this at different levels.

On page 193 of Conversations With God, Book One, God tells us, "Your body was designed to last forever. The body was not meant to die. The soul conceives, the mind creates and the body experiences." (This is also the Law of Attraction.) "The soul then knows itself.... If it does not like what it is experiencing, it simply conceives of a new experience of self -- and quite literally, changes its mind. Or, He says, "The Soul re-minds you." And since we know that our thoughts affect our DNA and thus our cells, the mind creates new cells out of its continuing thought about "Who We ARE."

I apologize to Neale Donald Walsch for summarizing a wonderfully logical and poetic series down to truisms, but this is one of the two main and pervasive messages from God:

1) We are spiritual entities who took on physical form in order to experience Who We Are. Your soul/spirit spreads outward the way the smell of a fresh loaf of bread spreads outward.

2) Love is the answer. Fear is the other end of love, the primal polarity. Masters are those who have chosen only love. Fear creates problems.

Even to discuss these books is difficult without remembering that we are One with God. In another discussion about a book, or series, we would be talking about Neale Donald Walsch, but in this case we are constantly talking about God as the author. And then, as if He could hear the struggle to conform, in Conversations With God, Book Two, God warns us that the greatest challenge as human beings is to "be here NOW" and to stop "re-acting." Re-acting is to search our memory banks and to do the same thing we did before. (Holosync by Centerpointe Research helps us to live more consciously. See pages on Bill Harris for complete description. Also, see Joe Vitale pages for description of Ho'oponopono, an Hawaiian method of clearing the "old programs" set by the memories.)

He reminds us (God, not Neale Donald Walsch) that when in a state of love and when conscious of our oneness, we are not afraid. In Conversations With God, Book Two, page 21, He states that Jesus demonstrated unity and saw wholeness wherever and upon whomever he looked. In this, his consciousness and my consciousness were one, and in such a state, whatever he called forth was made manifested in his Divine Reality in that Holy Moment. "Ask and you shall receive. Seek and you shall find. Knock at the door and it shall be opened unto you."

Further, on page 55, he states "alternatively, the consciousness of separation creates fear. The separation, segregation, and superiority of we/us, and they/them, is what creates the Hitler experience. The consciousness of divine brotherhood, of unity, of oneness, of ours rather than your/mine is what creates the Christ experience. When the pain is ours, not just yours; when the joy is ours, not just mine; when the whole life experience is ours, then it is at last truly that a whole life experience."

The conversations about Hitler are not easy, but for the sake of understanding those who are making our lives difficult, it is well worth a careful reading or two. Neale Donald Walsch speaks for us as he protests the idea that Hitler was not "bad", because as God says, there is no bad, only that which is not working for you.

And just when I think He has said it all, Neale Donald Walsch and God find something else to teach."
 

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The need for a total separation of the church from the state has long been argued for by socialists and the Socialist Party. Recent developments, both in Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland but also internationally, have put this issue centre stage in political debate. Socialistparty.net argues that the separation of church and state is long overdue.

Society has dramatically changed in the last 20 or 30 years and organised religion no longer has the same control over people.

The scandals that have rocked the Roman Catholic Church around the world have undermined the power and control of that institution. Religion no longer plays as dominant a role in society as in the past. Many people who are believers tend to make their own choices on private matters, such as divorce, contraception and so on.

However it would be a mistake to underestimate the control that the organised churches have on this island. Religion and the state are still intertwined and the influence of the church is strong.

Heinous abuse & denial of rights, we need Total separation of Church and State | Socialist Party
We need to follow the French model of putting the citizen and the state above any power the Church could ever have.I would nationalize all education establishments under the RCC, I would do the same with all Hospitals, or any institution which has RCC patronage that gets taxpayers(State) support.
Either the Church coughs up in money all the compensation for its crimes against children and women or the state nationalizes all its properties and assets.King Henry the Eighth, considering all we've been through , may have been spot on all those centuries ago, maybe we are slow learners in this country.
 

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Leo just put the kibosh on separation of church and state.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-vast-majority-do-not-want-complete-separation-of-church-and-state-1.3606405

Does this mean Fine Gael will continue to beg at the Church gates?
How did he come to that conclusion ?

I'm quite sure the vote on abortion & gay marriage would suggest otherwise.
And I'm also pretty sure any referendum on blasphemy will see it overturned by a large majority.
Furthermore, the overwhelming uptake of Educate Together schools suggests that parents are trying to separate their kids from any church at the earliest possible opportunity.

If anything, people's choices are screaming out for more separation, indeed total separation, not less.
 

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The need for a total separation of the church from the state has long been argued for by socialists and the Socialist Party. Recent developments, both in Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland but also internationally, have put this issue centre stage in political debate. Socialistparty.net argues that the separation of church and state is long overdue.

Society has dramatically changed in the last 20 or 30 years and organised religion no longer has the same control over people.

The scandals that have rocked the Roman Catholic Church around the world have undermined the power and control of that institution. Religion no longer plays as dominant a role in society as in the past. Many people who are believers tend to make their own choices on private matters, such as divorce, contraception and so on.

However it would be a mistake to underestimate the control that the organised churches have on this island. Religion and the state are still intertwined and the influence of the church is strong.

Heinous abuse & denial of rights, we need Total separation of Church and State | Socialist Party
Are you one of these "Millionaire" socialists???
 

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