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Tragic news: Man from south killed in Omagh




Ren84

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Very sad indeed. Unlikely to be sectarian as these sort of urban battles between rowdy revellers are all too common across the country. The PSNI in fact had warned of the dangers of these alcohol fuelled street attacks in the run up to xmas.
 

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Very sad indeed. Unlikely to be sectarian as these sort of urban battles between rowdy revellers are all too common across the country. The PSNI in fact had warned of the dangers of these alcohol fuelled street attacks in the run up to xmas.
Minimum price for alcohol needed.
 

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Minimum price for alcohol needed.
Yep. Scotland has the right idea. Though knowing FG and Lab they'll make an almighty balls of any attempts to bring in minimum pricing here.

Another thing we as a society needs to do is promote a more sensible attitude to drink and get rid of this culture of binge drinking. Personally I think supermarkets should be banned from selling booze.
 

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Minimum price for alcohol needed.
I was in Asda Cookstown yesterday - went early to avoid rush - even at 10 AM there were people stocking up on cheap drink. No aubergines but gallons of booze.

The wares on offer at the cigarette kiosk are now hidden from sight, You can only buy 16 paracetamol as they are both "dangerous" - but it seems that 6 cases of strong lager, 3 bottles of Vodka, Gin and Whiskey (all at special prices) are not considered dangerous but regarded as staples.
 

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Awful news.

Perhaps the legalisation of weed would give people another option to 'relax'. More similar to Canada than Amsterdam though.
 

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Sad news and very hard for the young man's family.
This was not sectarian as that end of Omagh is 100% CNR and it is where the redneck rebel culchies come to play in the bars and clubs of John Street,every weekend they knock hell out of each other and attack the police .
The price of drink has little to do with it ,there is a culture of guys who simply like to fight ,never changes.Hopefully CCTV and info will catch the guy(s) responsible
 

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They need to bring back community justice to deal with these thugs.

Poor lad.

RIP.
 
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Dreadful news. Another family grieving at this time of year and the tragic end to a short life. Very sad.
 

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Sad news and very hard for the young man's family.
This was not sectarian as that end of Omagh is 100% CNR and it is where the redneck rebel culchies come to play in the bars and clubs of John Street,every weekend they knock hell out of each other and attack the police .
The price of drink has little to do with it ,there is a culture of guys who simply like to fight ,never changes.Hopefully CCTV and info will catch the guy(s) responsible
Do you think a more visible police presence would help create a safer feel? Also more family oriented evening businesses such as good quality restaurants and nice pubs, along with town-centre cinema etc., so that the town centres are used by a wide range of society and not just the type of people you depict.

If you go to France or Spain they have retained a good feel to their town centres and all ages come out in the evening yielding a family atmosphere.
 

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Do you think a more visible police presence would help create a safer feel? Also more family oriented evening businesses such as good quality restaurants and nice pubs, along with town-centre cinema etc., so that the town centres are used by a wide range of society and not just the type of people you depict.

Wise up, it's the sick counties we are talking about here.
 

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Do you think a more visible police presence would help create a safer feel? Also more family oriented evening businesses such as good quality restaurants and nice pubs, along with town-centre cinema etc., so that the town centres are used by a wide range of society and not just the type of people you depict.
I believe the police are doing what they can and all pubs are signed up to the pubwatch scheme .Most town centres at night are ghost towns apart from weekends when club 18-30 invades with all the usual Viking behaviour. I depicted the area in this way as you mentioned the word "sectarian" so as to be clear that it was not sectarian which seems to be an automatic assumption about all violent deaths by those that live outside NI .
I do not blame the pub/club owners or the police it is a young man culture of getting drunk/drugged up /both and then wanting to fight . How to change that ? Police had their "one punch" campaign " maybe that needs to continue .
 

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Yep. Scotland has the right idea. Though knowing FG and Lab they'll make an almighty balls of any attempts to bring in minimum pricing here.

Another thing we as a society needs to do is promote a more sensible attitude to drink and get rid of this culture of binge drinking. Personally I think supermarkets should be banned from selling booze.
When you visit France, Italy and Spain you will find alot of cheap alcoholic drinks. The price isn't the problem, it is as Ren and Crum says an attitude problem. We treat alcohol drinking like it is some sort of taboo. Children in the above countries are introduced to alcohol drinking from an early age, it is not as restricted as it is here.

It requires a complete change in our society's attitude to drinking. I unfortunately don't know how to do it. Our culture is to go out and drink as much as possible in the shortest time. Of course that opens up other society issues. Longest working hours in Europe, most stressed out workforce in Europe. All add to the 'lets get smashed' attitude.
 

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Wise up, it's the sick counties we are talking about here.
Not so, deaths of young people after a night out is all too common in the Rep as well as the UK.

A young Tyrone GAA fan drowned in Dublin after falling into the canal. Someone actually filmed this and posted it on YouTube. It was quickly taken down.
A young lad drowned in Cork after falling into the Lee after a night out.
A young lad drowned in Belfast after falling into the Lagan after a night out.
Two men were drowned in Kinsale after a fight in an apartment, they were thrown out the window two or three floors up, into the river. All the above were alcohol related.

A couple of years ago, there was a spate of very serious knife attacks in Cork City, though that seems to have been contained now. Most of these were attacks were on young men walking down the street minding their own business and being set upon by total strangers, wielding knives

Who the hell carries a knife on a night out? What kind of young people roam the streets in groups carrying knives with the intent of setting upon a lone young man walking down the street?

There is a sickness in our society and alcohol is a major part of it, though it not the only part.
 

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Wise up, it's the sick counties we are talking about here.
Of course violence does not happen in the land of the free, not too long ago that 2 youngs were murdered for walking in to the wrong part of beautiful Sarasota Florida (you know where you met that nice couple from Raheny?)
 

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I believe the police are doing what they can and all pubs are signed up to the pubwatch scheme .Most town centres at night are ghost towns apart from weekends when club 18-30 invades with all the usual Viking behaviour. I depicted the area in this way as you mentioned the word "sectarian" so as to be clear that it was not sectarian which seems to be an automatic assumption about all violent deaths by those that live outside NI .
I do not blame the pub/club owners or the police it is a young man culture of getting drunk/drugged up /both and then wanting to fight . How to change that ? Police had their "one punch" campaign " maybe that needs to continue .
But they must take some of the blame. Down here, every September the Inter Cert results come out and our towns are full of young drunk youngsters out celebrating. These kids are 15/16 years old. Someone is serving them and nobody is attempting to put a stop to this. As 15/16 year olds, they shouldn't be served alcohol or be anywhere near a pub. Any other time of the year and they would mostly be refused service and entry.
 

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But they must take some of the blame. Down here, every September the Inter Cert results come out and our towns are full of young drunk youngsters out celebrating. These kids are 15/16 years old. Someone is serving them and nobody is attempting to put a stop to this. As 15/16 year olds, they shouldn't be served alcohol or be anywhere near a pub. Any other time of the year and they would mostly be refused service and entry.
I am pretty confident that most of the bars up here are not serving underage drinkers .The pubs/clubs are pretty well signed up to all the police initiatives and if you cause trouble in one pub you are refused in them all .Spot checks and tests are carried out and all doormen are licensed and work closely with the PSNI.Young folk will find ways around these things usually a carry out bought by older mates .Howver, we still ahve problems with heavy boozing and violent behaviour ,must be in the genes !
 

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Life in prison - 30 year tariff, and make it harder.
 

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