Transgender Reversal Study Blocked at British University

Nebuchadnezzar

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The ethics sub-committee at Bath Spa University has refused permission for a study on those who reverse gender transition. They ruled that such a study risked generating controversy on social media sites.

The proposal was rejected with an explanation noting that “Engaging in a potentially ‘politically incorrect’ piece of research carries a risk to the university"........“Attacks on social media may not be confined to the researcher but may involve the university.”

Under a section on ethical issues needing further consideration, it added: “The posting of unpleasant material on blogs or social media may be detrimental to the reputation of the university.”

The researcher, psychologist James Caspian, asked in response “Where would stand the reputation of a university that cannot follow the most basic tenets of academic and intellectual freedom of enquiry? I am more concerned about the potential impact of that stance on its reputation than I am about possible comments on social media.”

Is this another instance of the increasing restriction on academic freedoms either by direct pro transgender bias within educational establishments or of self censorship by these institutions based on an exaggerated fear of a reaction from within its own student and staff body or from a body of activists with a particular agenda.

Bath Spa University 'blocks transgender research' - BBC News
 


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Much more likely to be a superabundance of risk aversity in a university committee which reports to the University Chancellor's office.

It is not seen as a good thing to contrive a situation where your Chancellor ends up being dragged into controversial subjects in the media.

So most University committees will steer clear of anything which threatens to impact on that office.
 

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So an "ethics" committee can block anything it chooses because someone might say nasty things about it on social media?

What a load of old shíte!
 

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The ethics sub-committee at Bath Spa University has refused permission for a study on those who reverse gender transition. They ruled that such a study risked generating controversy on social media sites.

The proposal was rejected with an explanation noting that “Engaging in a potentially ‘politically incorrect’ piece of research carries a risk to the university"........“Attacks on social media may not be confined to the researcher but may involve the university.”

Under a section on ethical issues needing further consideration, it added: “The posting of unpleasant material on blogs or social media may be detrimental to the reputation of the university.”

The researcher, psychologist James Caspian, asked in response “Where would stand the reputation of a university that cannot follow the most basic tenets of academic and intellectual freedom of enquiry? I am more concerned about the potential impact of that stance on its reputation than I am about possible comments on social media.”

Is this another instance of the increasing restriction on academic freedoms either by direct pro transgender bias within educational establishments or of self censorship by these institutions based on an exaggerated fear of a reaction from within its own student and staff body or from a body of activists with a particular agenda.

Bath Spa University 'blocks transgender research' - BBC News
Quite unbelievable that a university would give as a reason that it "could be politically incorrect". :roll:
 

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the committee may be aware that there is a funded group preparing to use Bath University for political ends.

Without being privy to the debate of the ethics committee we probably won't know. It is quite often the case also that proposals are put to such committees in the hope of a refusal so that the academic concerned can then go to the media with a news story which suits their agenda.

Wheels within wheels.
 

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the committee may be aware that there is a funded group preparing to use Bath University for political ends.

Without being privy to the debate of the ethics committee we probably won't know. It is quite often the case also that proposals are put to such committees in the hope of a refusal so that the academic concerned can then go to the media with a news story which suits their agenda.

Wheels within wheels.
Well, jaysus, in that case, wouldn't the university be idiotic to refuse? :roll:
 

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This is going to affect us all, gravely.



Not, queue forty pages of wing nut spit and venom and oh look, a squirrel.
 

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My view on the subject would be that anyone who wants gender reassignment shouldn't necessarily think that it is the taxpayers' job to ensure their gender happiness.

And in turn anyone who then wants gender reassignment reversal had better be talking about funding it themselves.

Otherwise I'd suggest reversal of gender reassignment by way of being dropped from a Hercules transport from 30,000 feet.
 

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My view on the subject would be that anyone who wants gender reassignment shouldn't necessarily think that it is the taxpayers' job to ensure their gender happiness.

And in turn anyone who then wants gender reassignment reversal had better be talking about funding it themselves.

Otherwise I'd suggest reversal of gender reassignment by way of being dropped from a Hercules transport from 30,000 feet.
Transitioning is used as part of treatment for gender dysphoria.

Do you object to taxpayers' money being used to treat mental illness in general, or just this?
 

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Nobody wants science spoiling a good narrative, right?
On the most recent thread on this topic you claimed that transitioning doesn't help people suffering from gender dysphoria, and then cited as evidence for your claim a study by researchers who explicitly said that their work had zero implications for the efficacy of transitioning as a treatment for gender dysphoria.

So you're right - there are people who don't want science spooling a good narrative. And you're one of them.
 

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Literally unbelievable.
You would think so...the Times and the BBC both reported this, so it would seem that they don't have a reason to think this guy Caspian is lying, but let's see how/if the story develops.
 

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Jesus. This is shocking, wing-nuts know that Bath Spa University exists!

:roll:
 

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Transitioning is used as part of treatment for gender dysphoria.

Do you object to taxpayers' money being used to treat mental illness in general, or just this?
Do you think taxpayers' money should be used to reverse gender transition?
 

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Transitioning is used as part of treatment for gender dysphoria.

Do you object to taxpayers' money being used to treat mental illness in general, or just this?
Remarkable as it may sound it isn't actually the job of the taxpayer to spend lots of money making people happy with their gender. Personally I'd rather see the money spent on the homelessness issue.

There are people abroad who are firmly convinced that it is society's duty to make them happy with themselves and to fund it. And anyone who has had public money spent on gender reassignment then tipping up later to say that they've changed their minds and could they now have gender assignment reversal treatment on the taxpayer should be told to rev up and f*ck off.

Brutal? Maybe. Appropriate? Yup.
 

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So an "ethics" committee can block anything it chooses because someone might say nasty things about it on social media?

What a load of old shíte!
We only have the student's side of the story so far - the university says its conducting an internal investigation.

It would be extraordinarily unusual (and, ironically, probably unethical) for any project to be turned down on the basis that it is "politically incorrect" or might invoke a social media backlash.

But bear in mind that this case apparently involves a master's student who wanted to work with human subjects as part of his research. Any research proposal of that sort would have to pass strict scrutiny by an ethics committee, so there may well have been other issues with it that we aren't privy to.
 

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You're confusing 'treating' with 'encouraging a delusion'.
No I'm not. This would be another example of preferirng a narrative over actual science.

You're not an expert in mental health, yet you're apparently willing to ignore what actual experts say because it doesn't align with your preconceptions.
 


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