Travellers and Brexit

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This report is written in a rather breathless tone, as if the post-Brexit obvious hadn't previously crossed the minds of the group involved - the "Traveller Movement".

These folks seem to think that after Brexit the Irish should have rights within the UK that others wouldn't have.

Is this complaining driven by the sense of entitlement that is held by some Irish people, or by the sense of entitlement that is held by traveller people?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-in-uk-could-lose-right-to-work-after-brexit-says-report-1.3314983

"Irish citizens living in Britain could be at risk of losing their right to live, work, rent private accommodation and avail of healthcare services in a post-Brexit UK, a new report into citizens’ rights has warned.

Irish citizens in the UK could also lose the right to exemptions from deportation and prohibitions on employment of foreigners once the UK has formally left the European Union in 2019, the report says.

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“Throughout history, the Irish community have been a fundamental part of British society and continue to shape Britain for the better,” wrote Lord Alton."
 


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This report is written in a rather breathless tone, as if the post-Brexit obvious hadn't previously crossed the minds of the group involved - the "Traveller Movement".

These folks seem to think that after Brexit the Irish should have rights within the UK that others wouldn't have.

Is this complaining driven by the sense of entitlement that is held by some Irish people, or by the sense of entitlement that is held by traveller people?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-in-uk-could-lose-right-to-work-after-brexit-says-report-1.3314983

"Irish citizens living in Britain could be at risk of losing their right to live, work, rent private accommodation and avail of healthcare services in a post-Brexit UK, a new report into citizens’ rights has warned.

Irish citizens in the UK could also lose the right to exemptions from deportation and prohibitions on employment of foreigners once the UK has formally left the European Union in 2019, the report says.

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“Throughout history, the Irish community have been a fundamental part of British society and continue to shape Britain for the better,” wrote Lord Alton."
 

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the rights of the estimated 100,000 Irish Travellers living in the UK once the UK leaves the European Union.
100,000 Travellers returning to Ireland. Some would see that as an appalling vista.

We have a national interest in ensuring folk living in the UK can stay there.

And, I guess, seeing as how we were all in the one State once, there probably is some basis for seeking a special status.
 

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We better support this . We don't want a hundred thousand of them being deported back here
 

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100,000 Travellers returning to Ireland. Some would see that as an appalling vista.

We have a national interest in ensuring folk living in the UK can stay there.

And, I guess, seeing as how we were all in the one State once, there probably is some basis for seeking a special status.

So much for independence then.

Numerous Irish folks have an attitude of dependence on the UK.
 

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The UK has a large indiginous ethnic minority in Northern Ireland who identify themselves as either solely Irish or Irish/other identities. If Irish citizens are not given the same rights as British citizens then they will disenfranchised in their own homeland, but sure let's let a serious crisis in Anglo-Irish relations be used to have a go at Travellers. . .
 
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On the plus side, if they do come home , there should never be a pothole in the country again
 

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The UK has a large indiginous ethnic minority in the Northern Ireland who identify themselves as either solely Irish or Irish/other identities. If Irish citizens are not given the same rights as British citizens then they will disenfranchised in their own homeland, but sure let's let a serious crisis in Anglo-Irish relations be used to have a go at Travellers. . .
Which part of "Irish citizens in the UK" are you not grasping?
 

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The report is flawed. It assumes Irish people living in the UK do so under the same rights and agreements as other EU citizens. That is incorrect. Irish people have a settled status immediately when moving to the UK which is above and beyond indefinite leave to remain or freedom of movement under the EU. I think this was all laid out under the Ireland Act 1948.
 
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This report is written in a rather breathless tone, as if the post-Brexit obvious hadn't previously crossed the minds of the group involved - the "Traveller Movement".

These folks seem to think that after Brexit the Irish should have rights within the UK that others wouldn't have.

Is this complaining driven by the sense of entitlement that is held by some Irish people, or by the sense of entitlement that is held by traveller people?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-in-uk-could-lose-right-to-work-after-brexit-says-report-1.3314983

"Irish citizens living in Britain could be at risk of losing their right to live, work, rent private accommodation and avail of healthcare services in a post-Brexit UK, a new report into citizens’ rights has warned.

Irish citizens in the UK could also lose the right to exemptions from deportation and prohibitions on employment of foreigners once the UK has formally left the European Union in 2019, the report says.

...

“Throughout history, the Irish community have been a fundamental part of British society and continue to shape Britain for the better,” wrote Lord Alton."
It's rubbish. Under the Ireland Act 1949 Irish citizens are not regarded as foreign in the (mainland -- NI is regulated under the GFA) UK. An Irish citizen can be an MP, Judge or Civil Servant and vote in any and all elections, and can freely reside in the UK and, subject to being settled and paying any appropriate National Insurance contributions, receive the same pensions and benefits as a UK citizen. About the only things that Irish citizens can't get are UK passports and Honours (hence Terry Wogan and Bob Geldof taking UK citizenship to upgrade their Honorary Knighthoods to the full 'Sir'). These rights predate the two countries joining the EEC/EU and the British Government's stated intention is that these rights will not change. There are reciprocal rights for British citizens in Ireland, as I understand it.

There is a technical right to deport Irish people who are convicted of a serious crime but as there are no passport checks on journeys from from Ireland to UK, it's pretty useless. Entitlement to NHS services is based on 'settled' status -- strictly a British citizen who normally lives abroad cannot return to the UK to get free medical treatment.
 

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This report is written in a rather breathless tone, as if the post-Brexit obvious hadn't previously crossed the minds of the group involved - the "Traveller Movement".

These folks seem to think that after Brexit the Irish should have rights within the UK that others wouldn't have.

Is this complaining driven by the sense of entitlement that is held by some Irish people, or by the sense of entitlement that is held by traveller people?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-in-uk-could-lose-right-to-work-after-brexit-says-report-1.3314983

"Irish citizens living in Britain could be at risk of losing their right to live, work, rent private accommodation and avail of healthcare services in a post-Brexit UK, a new report into citizens’ rights has warned.

Irish citizens in the UK could also lose the right to exemptions from deportation and prohibitions on employment of foreigners once the UK has formally left the European Union in 2019, the report says.

...

“Throughout history, the Irish community have been a fundamental part of British society and continue to shape Britain for the better,” wrote Lord Alton."
This report is somewhat alarmist. Irish citizens have been living in the UK and in the main contributing to the UK, long before the UK joined the EEC/EU. This won't change because of Brexit.
 

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This report is somewhat alarmist. Irish citizens have been living in the UK and in the main contributing to the UK, long before the UK joined the EEC/EU. This won't change because of Brexit.
So what are the travellers worried about then?
 

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This report is somewhat alarmist. Irish citizens have been living in the UK and in the main contributing to the UK, long before the UK joined the EEC/EU. This won't change because of Brexit.
What makes you think that? Irish are EU citizens.
 


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