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Troika would accept a property tax alternative


venusian

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Hmm! Despite FG/"labour" lies the Troika would accept a property tax alternative

"The Troika is “not wedded” to a property tax and is open to the measure being replaced by an alternative that would raise the same revenue, Fianna Fáil finance spokesman Michael McGrath has said"
Troika would accept a property tax alternative, insists Fianna Fáil – MyHome.ie Blog

Despicable low life politcal liars in FG/"labour" (not just the elected TD's/Ministers) when canvassing for votes in the last election assured the electorate in my area that there would be no property tax on anyone with incomes of less than 100K

They scooped up votes by being true to FG/"labour" form i.e. by being liars.

The FG/"labour" liars need to take heed of the following poll

"A new poll finds strong opposition to both property taxes plus water charges ", 66 per cent said it was a bad idea" -Fine Gael voters/supporters are found to to be more supportive of proposed new taxes-meanwhile a majority of Labour voters were found to be opposed to new proposed taxes"
Voters back means testing child benefit but against new charges - The Irish Times - Fri, Oct 19, 2012

Come the next election if the FG/"labour" liars proceed with the new property stealth tax they will be decimated and the tax will be rescinded anyway.

FG/"labour" are so politically inept, as the latest polls show they are handing power straight back to the loathsome FFers, though in truth it is hard to tell which party is which since FG/"labour" are enacting all of the FFer's useless austerity policies.

WHat would you suggest is a fair alternative tax to replace the mooted property stealth tax?
 

bazlad

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Any sentence that has "FF" and "liars" in it and doesn't refer to how FF lied their way though years of government is statistically irrelevant.
 

neiphin

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blood ?



 

dresden8

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Come the next election if the FG/"labour" liars proceed with the new property stealth tax they will be decimated and the tax will be rescinded anyway.
You are excessively DELUDED (thanks hammer) if you think FF will remove any property tax when they come to power.
 

daveL

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Hmm! Despite FG/"labour" lies the Troika would accept a property tax alternative

"The Troika is “not wedded” to a property tax and is open to the measure being replaced by an alternative that would raise the same revenue, Fianna Fáil finance spokesman Michael McGrath has said"
Troika would accept a property tax alternative, insists Fianna Fáil – MyHome.ie Blog

Despicable low life politcal liars in FG/"labour" (not just the elected TD's/Ministers) when canvassing for votes in the last election assured the electorate in my area that there would be no property tax on anyone with incomes of less than 100K

They scooped up votes by being true to FG/"labour" form i.e. by being liars.

The FG/"labour" liars need to take heed of the following poll

"A new poll finds strong opposition to both property taxes plus water charges ", 66 per cent said it was a bad idea" -Fine Gael voters/supporters are found to to be more supportive of proposed new taxes-meanwhile a majority of Labour voters were found to be opposed to new proposed taxes"
Voters back means testing child benefit but against new charges - The Irish Times - Fri, Oct 19, 2012

Come the next election if the FG/"labour" liars proceed with the new property stealth tax they will be decimated and the tax will be rescinded anyway.

FG/"labour" are so politically inept, as the latest polls show they are handing power straight back to the loathsome FFers, though in truth it is hard to tell which party is which since FG/"labour" are enacting all of the FFer's useless austerity policies.

WHat would you suggest is a fair alternative tax to replace the mooted property stealth tax?
Not once did I hear anything about exclusions for those on incomes less than 100k

Maybe you can link me to those 'promises'
 

Neutron

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Lets have a tax on Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour supporters.
 

Disillusioned democrat

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I think it's the troika want a broadening of the tax burden - only Labour have taken this to mean a broader way to take tax from the same people - the middle class - rather than a broadening of the people who pay tax.
Ireland collects a disproportionate level of tax from 20% of earners – this group fund the whole country and as we’re borrowing so much will be expected to pay even more in the future – but the government turns a blind eye to this fact as it tries to find more and more ways to tax them without calling it tax.
 

GJG

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Labour are committed to a property tax where extra revenue needs to be raised, no matter what the view of the Troika is.

Revenue needs to be raised.

Labour are committed to introducing a property tax.

Labour are right.
+1

I have no particular love of the Labour Party but, to the extent that you describe their position, they are 100 per cent right on this.

For years, we have had the utterly bizarre and unique position as the only developed country that pretty has much 100 per cent of our taxes are focussed on economic activity, and none at all on wealth, property speculation or hoarding. The unsurprising result of this is that vast amounts of capital, effort and talents have been sucked out of our productive economy and diverted into speculation and hoarding.

The alliance between Trotskyists and Neoliberals on this is breathtaking. Neither seem to have the intellectual firepower to be able to distinguish between the level of the tax take and the distribution of the tax take. Regardless of your opinion of what the correct level of taxation is, there is simply no argument for a such unbalanced distribution of taxation. We should have a property tax, Troika or no Troika.
 

potholedogger

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Hmm! Despite FG/"labour" lies the Troika would accept a property tax alternative

"The Troika is “not wedded” to a property tax and is open to the measure being replaced by an alternative that would raise the same revenue, Fianna Fáil finance spokesman Michael McGrath has said"
Troika would accept a property tax alternative, insists Fianna Fáil – MyHome.ie Blog

Despicable low life politcal liars in FG/"labour" (not just the elected TD's/Ministers) when canvassing for votes in the last election assured the electorate in my area that there would be no property tax on anyone with incomes of less than 100K

They scooped up votes by being true to FG/"labour" form i.e. by being liars.

The FG/"labour" liars need to take heed of the following poll

"A new poll finds strong opposition to both property taxes plus water charges ", 66 per cent said it was a bad idea" -Fine Gael voters/supporters are found to to be more supportive of proposed new taxes-meanwhile a majority of Labour voters were found to be opposed to new proposed taxes"
Voters back means testing child benefit but against new charges - The Irish Times - Fri, Oct 19, 2012

Come the next election if the FG/"labour" liars proceed with the new property stealth tax they will be decimated and the tax will be rescinded anyway.

FG/"labour" are so politically inept, as the latest polls show they are handing power straight back to the loathsome FFers, though in truth it is hard to tell which party is which since FG/"labour" are enacting all of the FFer's useless austerity policies.

WHat would you suggest is a fair alternative tax to replace the mooted property stealth tax?


Where is your area?

Do you have any election literature indicating that position?
 

Disillusioned democrat

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+1

I have no particular love of the Labour Party but, to the extent that you describe their position, they are 100 per cent right on this.

For years, we have had the utterly bizarre and unique position as the only developed country that pretty has much 100 per cent of our taxes are focussed on economic activity, and none at all on wealth, property speculation or hoarding. The unsurprising result of this is that vast amounts of capital, effort and talents have been sucked out of our productive economy and diverted into speculation and hoarding.

The alliance between Trotskyists and Neoliberals on this is breathtaking. Neither seem to have the intellectual firepower to be able to distinguish between the level of the tax take and the distribution of the tax take. Regardless of your opinion of what the correct level of taxation is, there is simply no argument for a such unbalanced distribution of taxation. We should have a property tax, Troika or no Troika.
The problem is that our government will introduce the property tax without reducing the income tax - so the same people will just get hit again.

High income typically means nice home means high property tax - without reducing income tax this isn't broadenig the base, it's just taking more from the same people and calling it progressive.
 

statsman

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Hmm! Despite FG/"labour" lies the Troika would accept a property tax alternative

"The Troika is “not wedded” to a property tax and is open to the measure being replaced by an alternative that would raise the same revenue, Fianna Fáil finance spokesman Michael McGrath has said"
Troika would accept a property tax alternative, insists Fianna Fáil – MyHome.ie Blog

Despicable low life politcal liars in FG/"labour" (not just the elected TD's/Ministers) when canvassing for votes in the last election assured the electorate in my area that there would be no property tax on anyone with incomes of less than 100K
You can produce proof of this last claim?

They scooped up votes by being true to FG/"labour" form i.e. by being liars.

The FG/"labour" liars need to take heed of the following poll

"A new poll finds strong opposition to both property taxes plus water charges ", 66 per cent said it was a bad idea" -Fine Gael voters/supporters are found to to be more supportive of proposed new taxes-meanwhile a majority of Labour voters were found to be opposed to new proposed taxes"
Voters back means testing child benefit but against new charges - The Irish Times - Fri, Oct 19, 2012
Any new tax that might be mooted will find objectors; perhaps we should just scrap all taxation, and all the services provided out of the tax take?

Come the next election if the FG/"labour" liars proceed with the new property stealth tax they will be decimated and the tax will be rescinded anyway.

FG/"labour" are so politically inept, as the latest polls show they are handing power straight back to the loathsome FFers, though in truth it is hard to tell which party is which since FG/"labour" are enacting all of the FFer's useless austerity policies.
Come the next election the voters will exercise their right to vote; nobody knows what they will decide. To pretend to know is to be disingenuous to say the least. You might prefer to use the word 'liar', as you seem so fond of it.

WHat would you suggest is a fair alternative tax to replace the mooted property stealth tax?
In what sense is a tax that has been so widely discussed and polled about a 'stealth' tax? You might want to consult a dictionary before responding.
 

statsman

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The problem is that our government will introduce the property tax without reducing the income tax - so the same people will just get hit again.

High income typically means nice home means high property tax - without reducing income tax this isn't broadenig the base, it's just taking more from the same people and calling it progressive.
The idea is to increase the tax take, not redistribute the sources of the same take.
 

stopdoingstuff

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All taxes are ultimately an income tax because it is paid for by income, unless the taxpayer doesn't have the income to pay the assessement and is forced to sell the asset, in which case it is a capital gains tax.
 

Analyzer

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Great. I have a suggestion.

A new bailout taxation rate for bank bondholders who get bailed out.

Set it at 110%.
 

Rocky

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The idea is to increase the tax take, not redistribute the sources of the same take.
Hopefully when the time comes and we are in a position to lower tax, than rather than just abolishing the property tax, they will just lower everything.
 

potholedogger

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It is a Great wonder indeed that Fianna Fáil did not explore an alternative to tproperty tax when they signed up to property tax with the Troika?
 

statsman

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Hopefully when the time comes and we are in a position to lower tax, than rather than just abolishing the property tax, they will just lower everything.
You'd hope; if FF hadn't abolished domestic rates to buy an election we wouldn't even be discussing the matter.
 

Rocky

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Michael McGrath press release is missing one critical element.

What is his alternative to raise €500 million in the next buget? Without that it's meaningless and he makes no mention of that.
 
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