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Mr Benn, chairman of the Exiting the EU Select Committee, had said: "It is becoming increasingly clear there's a contradiction between, on the one hand the Government's clearly stated desire that there should be no return to a hard border, no customs border, and its determination to leave the customs union and the single market."

David Davis says there are alternatives for Irish border after Brexit | Politics | News | Express.co.uk


Lets be clear it is possible to implement a Hard border around northern Ireland. You build a wall and put guards on the check points and the job is done.

This could work out a bit costly so one could keep the existing border but build the economic border around a smaller area and call it "True North". In True North firms who wish to take advantage of being outside the EU could set up their business and the rest of the Island could stay in the EU.
 


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Mr Benn, chairman of the Exiting the EU Select Committee, had said: "It is becoming increasingly clear there's a contradiction between, on the one hand the Government's clearly stated desire that there should be no return to a hard border, no customs border, and its determination to leave the customs union and the single market."

David Davis says there are alternatives for Irish border after Brexit | Politics | News | Express.co.uk


Lets be clear it is possible to implement a Hard border around northern Ireland. You build a wall and put guards on the check points and the job is done.

This could work out a bit costly so one could keep the existing border but build the economic border around a smaller area and call it "True North". In True North firms who wish to take advantage of being outside the EU could set up their business and the rest of the Island could stay in the EU.

The Irish Sea, ie ;) the ports seem a better, less costly bet...
 

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The Irish Sea, ie ;) the ports seem a better, less costly bet...
Its a mad idea but heck its better than someone trying to implement a border between Strabane and Lifford. Put the hard border around Greater Larne and call it true north.
 

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I came across a great word today for what the UK government are doing when they bluster about the border: tansplaining.
 

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Wouldnt this be perfect .... if the Crackpots would only use some common sense NI could have the best of both worlds and actually prosper for a change...

But they wont, which shows their utter stupidity because if they did embrace this kind of thing then people here would have much less reason to change the status quo re border polls etc... The DUP & Unionism will simply continue to do what they always do ... i.e. drive a wedge between the North east of Ireland and their desire for a continued United Kingdom .. silly billies...

The controversial plan would mean Northern Ireland joining the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in its own right post-Brexit.

Sources claim the EU wants to mirror the example of Hong Kong, which is part of China but also an individual member of the WTO.

This would allow European regulations and the EU customs union could continue to apply to Ulster, while it remains in the UK.



Brexit latest news: Fury at EU 'plot to split Northern Ireland from UK' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk
 

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Lets be clear it is possible to implement a Hard border around northern Ireland. You build a wall and put guards on the check points and the job is done.

This is the flaw in your reasoning.
It is not possible to implement in any effective way, as anyone with any real experience of the areas involved knows.
 

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Wouldnt this be perfect .... if the Crackpots would only use some common sense NI could have the best of both worlds and actually prosper for a change...

But they wont, which shows their utter stupidity because if they did embrace this kind of thing then people here would have much less reason to change the status quo re border polls etc... The DUP & Unionism will simply continue to do what they always do ... i.e. drive a wedge between the North east of Ireland and their desire for a continued United Kingdom .. silly billies...

The controversial plan would mean Northern Ireland joining the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in its own right post-Brexit.

Sources claim the EU wants to mirror the example of Hong Kong, which is part of China but also an individual member of the WTO.

This would allow European regulations and the EU customs union could continue to apply to Ulster, while it remains in the UK.



Brexit latest news: Fury at EU 'plot to split Northern Ireland from UK' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk
is british opposition to idea's like this a negotiating tactic or a red line issue?
 

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I would say DUP/Unionist opposition is a red liner .... and that will follow through to the Tories..
fair point.

Will be interesting to see if people in england go to the wire on it. Solidarity is honorable but if it starts hitting the pocket motive can switch to the practical.
 

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This is the flaw in your reasoning.
It is not possible to implement in any effective way, as anyone with any real experience of the areas involved knows.
I would agree that building a wall would be total madness but Unionists are always saying that it is possible to have an effective border. If they have a working alternative let them come up with it and see how far their idea works. So lets assume we build a great big wall with a few crossing points. How would such a situation effect Northern Ireland. More importantly who would want to live on the Northern Ireland side of such a wall?
 

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fair point.

Will be interesting to see if people in england go to the wire on it. Solidarity is honorable but if it starts hitting the pocket motive can switch to the practical.
I would agree with that ... I'd say its a long way from a "done deal" just yet ...

If Corbyn wasnt such a Euro Sceptic himself I'd say Labour would be much more vocal in opposing this ... I think its mad that they arent promoting themselves as the "alternative" and suggesting something !!!!!!
Even that they would "at least" have another referendum on the agreed deal before anything definite happens ...ok, that might lead to the EU giving them an even worse deal, just to convince the electorate to stay, but you'd think it would be worth a shot from a Labour point of view... And even if they didnt do exactly that .. surely they could come up with something :roll: .. they seem afraid to ....

The problem with waiting for the "pocket to be hit" to change peoples minds is that this may well not happen until well after Brexit is done & dusted ...:| ... too feckin late by that stage...



edit - Ive re-read you post .... I may have misinterpreted you .. If you meant what will the GB people think/do re NI ... I believe 50% cant wait to get rid, 40% couldnt give a toss and 10% would like to keep hold....
 
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I would agree with that ... I'd say its a long way from a "done deal" just yet ...

If Corbyn wasnt such a Euro Sceptic himself I'd say Labour would be much more vocal in opposing this ... I think its mad that they arent promoting themselves as the "alternative" and suggesting something !!!!!!
Even that they would "at least" have another referendum on the agreed deal before anything definite happens ...ok, that might lead to the EU giving them an even worse deal, just to convince the electorate to stay, but you'd think it would be worth a shot from a Labour point of view... And even if they didnt do exactly that .. surely they could come up with something :roll: .. they seem afraid to ....

The problem with waiting for the "pocket to be hit" to change peoples minds is that this may well not happen until well after Brexit is done & dusted ...:| ... too feckin late by that stage...



edit - Ive re-read you post .... I may have misinterpreted you .. If you meant what will the GB people think/do re NI ... I believe 50% cant wait to get rid, 40% couldnt give a toss and 10% would like to keep hold....
The british left have their heads up their hole. Went to a meeting during the year with a british trade unionist speaking at it. Thinks brexit means britain is going back to the good old days of industry, decent social housing and strong trade unions.

Its going the way of a low touch regulation economy.

Lefties get excited about working class people getting the ************************ kicked out of them because they think the next logical step is workers running into their arms. Tends not to work that way.
 

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The british left have their heads up their hole. Went to a meeting during the year with a british trade unionist speaking at it. Thinks brexit means britain is going back to the good old days of industry, decent social housing and strong trade unions.

Its going the way of a low touch regulation economy.

Lefties get excited about working class people getting the ************************ kicked out of them because they think the next logical step is workers running into their arms. Tends not to work that way.
Yeah, I suppose its a bit like the hicks in the USA believing that Trump is miraculously going to re-open all the coal mines & steel factories etc....... Feckin eejits...


I would have thought there were still enough sensible Brits to turn this around though .. but here, you never know...
 

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There is potential for Labour to do well out of this as the Tories seem more pre-occupied with internal division than anything else.
But, it would necessitate Corbyn showing a type of leadership that he hasn't up to now. A practical approach designed to prevent huge trade and job losses as well as averting a brain drain could see the party being the ones that saved the UK from itself.
 
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I came across a great word today for what the UK government are doing when they bluster about the border: tansplaining.
That's brilliant.

You may be sure there'll be plenty of room left for a wee bit of blacksploitation.
 


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