Trump cabinet politician likens slaves to immigrants.

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Just a few days ago, Ben Carson was confirmed by the United States Senate as the next Secretary of Housing and Urban Development and things have not begun well.

In a speech to this staff this week, he got....a little carried away in his description of the USA as a country built by immigrants. He said, “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they, too, had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land."

Well, Mr Carson, the people who came in the bottom of slave ships weren't immigrants, they were slaves. They didn't come willingly. They were kidnapped from their homes and families in west Africa by brute violence and brought forcibly to the USA in truly horrible conditions. Many if not most died on the way.

They didn't work for less. They worked for NOTHING because they were beaten mercilessly if they refused.

I can only imagine that their one dream was to get back to their family in Africa - a dream hardly any of them realized.

Alternative facts aren't enough, eh? Now we have alternative history.
 


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Heard that speech, un be fvcking lieveable.

And delivered in a creepy hushed undertone... weird..
 

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Just a few days ago, Ben Carson was confirmed by the United States Senate as the next Secretary of Housing and Urban Development and things have not begun well.

In a speech to this staff this week, he got....a little carried away in his description of the USA as a country built by immigrants. He said, “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they, too, had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land."

Well, Mr Carson, the people who came in the bottom of slave ships weren't immigrants, they were slaves. They didn't come willingly. They were kidnapped from their homes and families in west Africa by brute violence and brought forcibly to the USA in truly horrible conditions. Many if not most died on the way.

They didn't work for less. They worked for NOTHING because they were beaten mercilessly if they refused.

I can only imagine that their one dream was to get back to their family in Africa - a dream hardly any of them realized.

Alternative facts aren't enough, eh? Now we have alternative history.

Jesus, all this historical hatred of them bad ass white mericans! Why not apply that logic to your islamic friends who enslaved pillaged raped and murdered in "foreign" countries/lands for many centuries both historically and currently?
 

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maybe he is doing a Trump? misspeaks a little, everyone looks into it, finds out the slave trade was dominated by Muslims who sold on the slaves to the different European powers etc.? :D
 

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Bristol was a massive slave port, I presume the French did a bit of it too.........them's were the days.
 
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Jesus, all this historical hatred of them bad ass white mericans! Why not apply that logic to your islamic friends who enslaved pillaged raped and murdered in "foreign" countries/lands for many centuries both historically and currently?
Do you think I don't?
 

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And Africans have been enslaving their fellow tribesmen for centuries.
 

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I always thought illegal immigrants were treated only a step or two above slaves. Overworked, underpaid, living in fear, treated badly, not subject to labour laws, can't go to the authorities for protection etc etc
 
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maybe he is doing a Trump? misspeaks a little, everyone looks into it, finds out the slave trade was dominated by Muslims who sold on the slaves to the different European powers etc.? :D
The British played a huge part too. They'd rather talk about different things when it comes to discussing The Empire.
 
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Yes. What is your true gripe? Having a swipe at Trump? The content of what he said? Or merican foreign policy?
All of the above?
It's about the content of what he said.

Why are you so outraged that I'm criticizing a politician for getting something so basically wrong?

And why are you persistently leaving out the first letter in the word "American"?
 

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The British played a huge part too. They'd rather talk about different things when it comes to discussing The Empire.
Modern Britons and Americans are about as culpable for that historical mess as you are for white European crusades.
 

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I always thought illegal immigrants were treated only a step or two above slaves. Overworked, underpaid, living in fear, treated badly, not subject to labour laws, can't go to the authorities for protection etc etc
those lawns wont water themselves, its the 21st century slave trade, don't look too deeply into why you can get strawberries in Jan for a reasonable price or why you can have a meal delivered 24 hours a day for next to nothing. sure there is nothing wrong with 30 or 40 people living in a suburban house, they are just showing the locals their work ethic
 

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He is Black so it's not racist against Blacks. I think it was just clumsy of him but they were in a sense forced migrants.
 

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It's about the content of what he said.

Why are you so outraged that I'm criticizing a politician for getting something so basically wrong?

And why are you persistently leaving out the first letter in the word "American"?
Your OP starts with the word Trump, so it is clearly loaded, which lessens imho your point.
 

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Modern Britons and Americans are about as culpable for that historical mess as you are for white European crusades.
Unless, of course, they choose to describe the victims as "involuntary immigrants". Then they deserve any criticism they get.
 
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Modern Britons and Americans are about as culpable for that historical mess as you are for white European crusades.
There's no culpability for something that happened centuries ago. But trying to pretend that the Empire was all sweetness and light when it was really brutality and barbarism has an element of culpability too.

Anyway, we're going off topic. This is about a certain Mr Carson.
 

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The British played a huge part too. They'd rather talk about different things when it comes to discussing The Empire.
sure but the untold story is Islamic slavery , in the life of Islam possibly over a 100 million Africans were taken as slaves and a fair amount involved castration. The narrative is slavery was something only white people did to black people
 

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those lawns wont water themselves, its the 21st century slave trade, don't look too deeply into why you can get strawberries in Jan for a reasonable price or why you can have a meal delivered 24 hours a day for next to nothing. sure there is nothing wrong with 30 or 40 people living in a suburban house, they are just showing the locals their work ethic
Large parts of this are true, as are the other "types", who claim multiple welfare benefits and scam the tax payer out of millions. Bit of balance doesnt go amiss.
 


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