Trump China North Korea , does the mafia run state of NK have a future?

Catalpast

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This is one of the things he can do as Commander and chief without approval from anyone :shock:
Can he?

He certainly can in a national emergency

- but a DOW would need Congressional and Senate approval IIRC?

Truman committed the US to the Korean War in 1950 off his own bat

- the situation was critical and he could not afford to wait....
 


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Can he?

He certainly can in a national emergency

- but a DOW would need Congressional and Senate approval IIRC?

Truman committed the US to the Korean War in 1950 off his own bat

- the situation was critical and he could not afford to wait....
You can't see parallels if one chooses to find them ?
 

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madman theory paying off?

 

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NK as an entity will continue. The US military has been gutted under the Obama admin, with spending falling from $770 bn to $660 bn. The US navy is the smallest since 1916, and the US army the smallest since before Pearl Harbour. Containment will be the strategy, possibly including sanctions on Chinese companies dealing with NK and acts of sabotage and hacking on NK nuclear installations. China will not allow the regime to fall, but they might support a palace-coup to put a more reasonable Kim in charge that will introduce the Chinese-model of "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics".

There are already tentative signs of a market economy in parts of Pyongyang, which have been recorded by dissidents and occasionally shown by the regime to Western journalists. There is now an Intranet (not an internet).
 

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I don't know. Perhaps a combined international effort including a guarantee of immunity for the regime.

What do you think?
by cutting off all huanatrian aid for a few weeks, the outside world would ge4t the message across, each time n.k. try a stunt the outside world trys offering more aid to placate it
 

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North korea is a failed totaltarian state which has contributed absolutely nothing good to humanity, led by a phycotic tyrant, the fall of this regime along with saudi arabia, would be the greatest thing to befell mankind.
Israhell should be first to go.
 

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I would like to think that finally one POTUS will have the guts to act on The madness over there.
The biggest problem may be the damage that the North may inflict on South Korea during any possible conflict.
By all accounts the NK army are poorly fed and malnourished.

China treats North Korean refugees that escape over the border very poorly.
 

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NK as an entity will continue. The US military has been gutted under the Obama admin, with spending falling from $770 bn to $660 bn. The US navy is the smallest since 1916, and the US army the smallest since before Pearl Harbour.
This here is one of the more deceptive lines of reasoning with regards to the US military. Sure, it's technically true that the US navy hasn't been this small since 1916. Does that mean you should prefer the 1917 US navy to the one they have now? Absolutely not. The US Navy of 1917 etcetera is far less capable than the US navy of 2017. Numbers are a nice talking point, but capability is actually the thing that really matters.

With regards to the budget: Trump's budget is not going to get you to where you want. It's a small increase over president Obama's spending plans.

As for this thread: No, the Carl Vinson moving to Korea does not mean that Trump's going to strike North Korea. It's not happening.
 

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POTUS this time

President Trump‏Verified account @POTUS · 5m5 minutes ago


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North Korea is looking for trouble. If China decides to help, that would be great. If not, we will solve the problem without them! U.S.A.



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This here is one of the more deceptive lines of reasoning with regards to the US military. Sure, it's technically true that the US navy hasn't been this small since 1916. Does that mean you should prefer the 1917 US navy to the one they have now? Absolutely not. The US Navy of 1917 etcetera is far less capable than the US navy of 2017. Numbers are a nice talking point, but capability is actually the thing that really matters.

With regards to the budget: Trump's budget is not going to get you to where you want. It's a small increase over president Obama's spending plans.

As for this thread: No, the Carl Vinson moving to Korea does not mean that Trump's going to strike North Korea. It's not happening.
I remember this being said about Clinton as well. The nature of the conflict the US Army is likely to fight has changed, so the army adapts to that. Does anyone really imagine that the US Army will be fighting a massive tank battle anytime soon?
 

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[video=youtube;HoRyrCjOkdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoRyrCjOkdI[/video]
 

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Now both leaders of North Korea and the USA have funny hair do,s.

The leader of North Korea is alleged to have murdered men women and children.
He has not sent missiles and exploded them any other country as far as I know.

The president of the USA has murdered men women and children with his illegal missile strike on the sovereign state of Syria.

North Korea,despite its leaders funny hairdo, now occupies the high moral ground over the USA.
 

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They don't need one. All they have to do is dig a tunnel and set a bomb off somewhere South of the DMZ.
I'd imagine they have thought of that, a mouse farting probably sets off underground detectors.
 

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I'd imagine they have thought of that, a mouse farting probably sets off underground detectors.
Put it on a boat, that's another option. Mind you, they claim and others concur, that they are already capable of minitiurising nuclear warheads and fitting them to ICBMs. That was confirmed by the commander of US Forces Korea. He could be lying of course, (to save your next argument) :)

Basically, N Korea sees nuclear weapons not as a survival strategy but THE survival strategy for the regime.
 

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A lot of the best terror ideas were Brit inventions, concentration camps, starvation, gassing civilians, mass executions of civilians etc
Your Anglophobia leads into all kinds of stupidities. Great Britain as a state wasn't constituted until 1707.You must be as dull as a clod of earth if you think that all these were British inventions. Apparently the Greeks, Assyrians, Romans, medieval Chinese, French, Mongols and Turks were'nt murdering by the hundreds of thousands before Britain. The Spanish invented the concentration camp. The Germans were the first to use poison gas.

It's the one place where US intervention might actually help the people. The problem of course is the death and destruction involved in bringing down the regime.
Trump may go for it though, rather than wait for them to improve their nukes.
Trump has no interest in invading North Korea. He has no interest in the discredited attempts at nation building that his predecessors engaged in. An extended expensive war has nothing in it for him. He has a short attention span and focuses on quick fixes and short-term gains. If Kim crosses the line, builds a delivery system that can reach the American mainland, then the American military would first initiate an air and missile war.
 
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