Trump China North Korea , does the mafia run state of NK have a future?

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like the way Trump is putting pressure on China

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I explained to the President of China that a trade deal with the U.S. will be far better for them if they solve the North Korean problem!
 

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Your Anglophobia leads into all kinds of stupidities. Great Britain as a state wasn't constituted util 1707.You must be as dull as a clod of earth if you think that all these were British inventions. Apparently the Greeks, Assyrians, Romans, medieval Chinese, French, Mongols and Turks were'nt murdering by the hundreds of thousands before Britain. The Spanish invented the concentration camp. The Germans were the first to use poison gas.#



Trump has no interest in invading North Korea. He has no interest in the discredited attempts at nation building that his predecessors engaged in. An extended expensive war has nothing in it for him. He has a short attention span and focuses on quick fixes and short-term gains. If Kim crosses the line, builds a delivery system that can reach the American mainland, then the American military would first initiate an air and missile war.
Fair point, they may not have being pioneers in the respective fields but it could hardly be said the shied away from these concepts of terror, at least they might be a little more constrained and reflective of their history when taking the moral high ground.
 

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The Trump effect

 

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Not that anything happens in the next few weeks but looking a few years out how will this shape up?
The Mafia does not run the DPRK. You shouldn't post such gombeenman thread titles. It would be more correct to say that southern Korea is run by a mafia style régime.
 

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No, China had already told the DPRK in late January that it had taken in the quota of coal allowed by the criminal UN sanctions and wouldn't be taking any more until next Autumn. Nothing whatsoever to do with Trump the Chump.
 

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The Mafia does not run the DPRK. You shouldn't post such gombeenman thread titles. It would be more correct to say that southern Korea is run by a mafia style régime.
which one has light and power for everyone, which one can you hop on a plane if you don't like it

 

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Trump reframes NK


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Posted April 12th, 2017 @ 11:59am in #North Korea #China #Trump #potus

Prior U.S. presidents framed the North Korean nuclear program as a problem between the United States and North Korea, with China as an unhelpful third party with its own interests. That framing was weak and useless. North Korea did whatever it wanted to do.

President Trump recently changed the frame. Now it’s not so much a problem between the United States and North Korea as it is a branding battle between China and the U.S., with North Korea being the less-important part of the equation. President Trump has said clearly and repeatedly that if China doesn’t fix the problem in its own backyard, the USA will step in to do what China couldn’t get done.

See the power in that framing? China doesn’t want a weak “brand.”

With the new framing, we already see China talking tougher about North Korea. They stopped buying North Korean coal, which is something they said they would do before Inauguration Day. But by then, Trump had already reframed the situation the way I described. And he was weeks from being Commander-in-Chief when he did it.

The only thing lacking in Trump’s reframing was a credible threat that he would launch a decapitation strike against North Korea. That problem was solved over chocolate cake at Mar Lago when the visiting Premiere of China, Li, observed Trump give the order to send 59 Tomahawk missiles into a sovereign country that had pissed him off just a few days earlier.

Then Trump ordered an “armada” of American warships to the vicinity of North Korea just to remind Li that we have options.

Trump also suggested that our trade negotiations with China will go a lot better if North Korea is no longer a problem. Trump didn’t go so far as to suggest adding a “North Korea tax” to Chinese imports, to pay for our military presence in South Korea, but I like to think it is an option.

This is the sort of thing I was hoping to see when the Master Persuader took office. His reframing on North Korea is pitch-perfect. We’ve never seen anything like this.

Some of you will be tempted to argue that nothing has really changed. But I think the face-to-face meeting between Li and Trump, and the movement of North Korea to a branding competition between superpowers is a big, big deal. It would be hard, if not politically impossible, for Li to go easy on North Korea from this point on.

 

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Trump reframes NK

If Trump the Chump could reframe himself and get on with what he was elected to do, we would all be much better off. The USA is falling apart while he obsesses over matters that don't concern him, and over which he has no control whatsoever.
 

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So China is threatening North Korea and separately the USA is threatening North Korea.
It's a tad surreal, especially China threatening North Korea. It would suggest that some sort of change may be in the offing.

If China decides to annex North Korea, what happens then? Will the international community react to defend North Korea?

I reckon the last thing that China would want is North Korea being accessed by the West.

At the very least China would want to have a Chinese proxy ruling North Korea or the direct annexation of North Korea by China.
 

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So China is threatening North Korea and separately the USA is threatening North Korea.
It's a tad surreal, especially China threatening North Korea. It would suggest that some sort of change may be in the offing.

If China decides to annex North Korea, what happens then? Will the international community react to defend North Korea?

I reckon the last thing that China would want is North Korea being accessed by the West.

At the very least China would want to have a Chinese proxy ruling North Korea or the direct annexation of North Korea by China.
China has no intention of messing with the DPRK. Don't worry about that.
 

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the most I'd see happening in the next few years is a strike against its nuclear facilities , depends how NK takes it. If fat boy wants to live he will suck it up
 

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the most I'd see happening in the next few years is a strike against its nuclear facilities , depends how NK takes it. If fat boy wants to live he will suck it up
Just because you live your life crawling on your belly doesn't mean the heroic people of the DPRK would do so. Don't judge others by your own Irish slave mentality.
 

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Just because you live your life crawling on your belly doesn't mean the heroic people of the DPRK would do so. Don't judge others by your own Irish slave mentality.
you might think you are being edgy, but NK is a crime syndicate where you have to be in the top 10% to ensure you get a half decent meal, nothing heroic about that
 

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you might think you are being edgy, but NK is a crime syndicate where you have to be in the top 10% to ensure you get a half decent meal, nothing heroic about that
I think that's Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael you're thinking of.
 

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Your Anglophobia leads into all kinds of stupidities. Great Britain as a state wasn't constituted until 1707.You must be as dull as a clod of earth if you think that all these were British inventions. Apparently the Greeks, Assyrians, Romans, medieval Chinese, French, Mongols and Turks were'nt murdering by the hundreds of thousands before Britain. The Spanish invented the concentration camp. The Germans were the first to use poison gas.



Trump has no interest in invading North Korea. He has no interest in the discredited attempts at nation building that his predecessors engaged in. An extended expensive war has nothing in it for him. He has a short attention span and focuses on quick fixes and short-term gains. If Kim crosses the line, builds a delivery system that can reach the American mainland, then the American military would first initiate an air and missile war.
The Brits used gas too..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_British_use_of_chemical_weapons_in_Mesopotamia_in_1920

And

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/19/iraq.arts
 
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But they were'nt the first - so its ok, and they were'nt the last so its ok to finger point at those who were. Poor aul Brits only wanting to spread a wee bit of peace and democracy only to be hindered by ghastly little natives at every turn, and to make matter's worse the little buggers are turning up in their droves to steal their jobs and claim their benefits - that's gratitude for bringing them civilization eh.
 

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