Trump Foreign Policy thread

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Good article.

Trump has gotten rid of the "adults" and is becoming Trump Unleashed, trusting to his deal making skills over military action. Now he realizes how stupid war with Iran would be - but the Iranians have noticed his fear, so will not let him off lightly.

Bolton will probably depart, as Trump has set his face against that brand of overseas bullying. The problem is that the deals Trump will bring home (like a nuclear freeze with North Korea, or a revised deal with Iran) are ones that Trump and Republicans would have hammered Obama or Clinton over.

Leaving NATO or leaving the WTO may come back into Trump's thinking. It was clear that the G20 that Trump does not give a f*ck for any democratic state, and sees the US future in alliance with authoritarian powers like Saudi Arabia, Russia, or North Korea. Relations with China will be problematic.
 


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A racist in the White House diminishes US "soft power" abroad.

There is a stark difference between America's reputation abroad under the last two Democratic Presidents, and the two Republicans who held office since 1992, Bush II and Trump.
 

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China, North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela ... none of Trump's initiatives are going according to plan.

The whisper of a deal in Afghanistan may be the only bright spot, not mentioned in the article.
 

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Trump admin moving ahead with $8bn sale of 66 F16s to Taiwan, according to lawmakers.


A positive step in containing the PRC.
 

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Trump admin moving ahead with $8bn sale of 66 F16s to Taiwan, according to lawmakers.


A positive step in containing the PRC.
$8-$10 billion being spent by Taiwan there...MAGA in full flight...Trump is a business man, not a politician.
 

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$8-$10 billion being spent by Taiwan there...MAGA in full flight...Trump is a business man, not a politician.
Well, at least, if the Far East goes up in flames, Trump will still have delivered excellent shareholder value. The big Wall Street donors will be rubbing their hands.
 

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Well, at least, if the Far East goes up in flames, Trump will still have delivered excellent shareholder value. The big Wall Street donors will be rubbing their hands.
Taiwan’s military capability relative to China has been rapidly weakening, partly due to China’s increasing capabilities but also significantly due to Taiwan’s difficulty in obtaining modern weaponry. Taiwan’s military capabilities are obviously defensive in nature. Does an increasing disparity between China’s offensive capability and Taiwan’s defensive make war more or less likely? I think the former. China’s military options are becoming more viable. IMO bolstering Taiwan’s capabilities reduces that possibility.
 

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Taiwan’s military capability relative to China has been rapidly weakening, partly due to China’s increasing capabilities but also significantly due to Taiwan’s difficulty in obtaining modern weaponry. Taiwan’s military capabilities are obviously defensive in nature. Does an increasing disparity between China’s offensive capability and Taiwan’s defensive make war more or less likely? I think the former. China’s military options are becoming more viable. IMO bolstering Taiwan’s capabilities reduces that possibility.
Trump is making contradictory signals - selling arms to Taiwan suggests a "forward" policy of being bold, and willing to defend allies in the region.

But, at the same time, Trump is being indulgent to the North Koreans, and has no problem with their short-range missile testing that threatens South Korea and Japan. Kim is blaming South Korea for the recent joint exercises, and end the detente that opened up opportunity for Trump has ended abruptedly.

China could conclude that Trump is just rattling its cage to gain a few points in the Trade War, while making a quick buck. They may evaluate him as a weak leader who will not stand up to aggression, but can still do damage.

The main failing of Trump's policy is its incoherence. It is not the Nixon-Kissinger "madman" policy, where Kissinger would present himself as the only one who could save the world from Richard Nixon. At least that was thought through.

The problem with the Trump "madman" theory is that Trump is lazy, unsystematic and inconsistent, not mad. So even the Kissinger figure, poor hapless Pompeo, does not know what he will decide from one day to the next.
 

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I'm going to have to admit that Eduardo 'Ted'Cruz was prescient about something that I never saw coming.

[QUOTE“I mean, we’re liable to wake up one morning and Donald, if he were president, would have nuked Denmark. That’s not the temperament of a leader to keep this country safe.” ][/QUOTE]

This morning we wake up to

Trump cancels Denmark visit amid spat over sale of Greenland
Okay, he hasn't nuked Denmark yet and some cynics allege that he cancelled the trip to Denmark because Obama is giving a speech at a university there and he didn't want a smaller crowd than the black man, but credit to Ted, he saw the Denmark thing coming and the rest of us didn't.
 

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He said himself on several occasions that his father was a Presbyterian and his mother also. This article gives the dominant religion in the Garman area where his grandfather was born as being Lutheran.

If he is lying about his religion, why has no one called him on it? Seems to me you have Trump Derangement Syndrome
Religion!!! The guy is a three times married serial fornicator and with porn models to boot. He has spent his entire life scamming people that had the misfortune to work for him out of their earnings. He has been bankrupt six times, resulting in his creditors loosing millions. The is a narcissist and only believes in what makes him feel and appear good to his brainless followers.
So where does religion come into any of this.??
 

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I'm going to have to admit that Eduardo 'Ted'Cruz was prescient about something that I never saw coming.

I mean, we’re liable to wake up one morning and Donald, if he were president, would have nuked Denmark. That’s not the temperament of a leader to keep this country safe.”

This morning we wake up to

Okay, he hasn't nuked Denmark yet and some cynics allege that he cancelled the trip to Denmark because Obama is giving a speech at a university there and he didn't want a smaller crowd than the black man, but credit to Ted, he saw the Denmark thing coming and the rest of us didn't.
Even the Danish right-wing, who were eager enough to see the guy, are totally insulted.

 

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Even the Danish right-wing, who were eager enough to see the guy, are totally insulted.

Indeed. FOX tactically brought on the friendlier choice of Rasmus Jarlov of the Conservative People's Party for a mild and charitable delivery and explanation of Denmark's disgust and bewilderment at Trump's antics.

FOX tried to come out of it with a pro-Trump softball question to Jarlov but it finished with him giving a WTF expression when the host Martha MacCallum ended with the following: "... thanks for joining us from absolutely beautiful Copenhagen where it is still sunny at 1:30 in the morning..." Umm...no.
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This is a case of "The USA has always wanted to annex Greenland!"


This is a classic example of how, in certain sorts of political systems, the Leader’s bizarre insomniac whim on Monday can become Official State Policy by Thursday.
 


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