Trump: Media, "it is enemy of the American people" .. undermining freedom of press (Second Thread)


bonkers

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Extremely petty man. He literally spent ten minutes listing the republicans who had lost their seats in Congress with comments like "Didn't want the embrace" or "Told me to stay away", "How's that going for you, Barb?" It was extraordinary.

He knows nothing about leadership, nothing at all.
He has led nothing for his entire life of privilege.
 

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Yup, the WH is putting out lies around this -not that Acosta violated protocol by refusing to surrender the mike, which is absolutely true, but that he assaulted the staffer who tried to take it from him.
The funny thing is that some posters are so brainwashed from watching RTE that the can't differentiate spin from news.
 

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He has led nothing for his entire life of privilege.
Surprising how many people he fooled. They are not the majority, but nevertheless there was a solid rump of Americans who confused BS and bullying with firm authoritative leadership.

You can only imagine what homes they grew up in...
 

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The funny thing is that some posters are so brainwashed from watching RTE that the can't differentiate spin from news.
Back in your comfort zone? This has nothing to do with RTE. It was straightforward lying from Miss Piggy on behalf of the Orange Oaf.
 

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In many respects the mid-terms were more notable for some of the propositions - rather than the Congressional and governor results. While some left and progressive candidates were elected - including a significant number of Democratic Socialist Alliance members at state level - the propositions provide more of a weather barometer as to the prevailing mood in the US – particularly in some so-called ‘red’ states.

E.g.
- Missouri (62%) to raise the minimum wage from $7.85 to $12 per hour - a measure that will benefit almost 700,000 workers in the state. Missouri also rejected “right to work” legislation designed to force people off welfare. It is worth noting that is is the state where the Democrats expected ultra conservative corporate Democrat Claire McCaskill to hold a Senate seat - yet while voters supported progressive measures, they rejected McCaskill.

- Arkansas (65%) voted to raise the minimum wage from $8.50 to $11 per hour. Arkansas is one of the poorest states in the USA with a median wage of $14.50 an hour.

- Idaho (67%), Nebraska, Montana (53%) and Utah (54%) all voted to expand Medicaid.

- Florida (65%) voters restored voting rights to 1.4 million (about 10% of voters) residents convicted of a felony who served their time.

- San Francisco (60%) passed a corporate tax that will raise $300million a year to aid the homeless and fund mental health services. This was similar to the measure promoted by Socialist Alternative in Seattle where a public campaign forced the city council to implement a 'head tax' designed to raise $500million a year to fund social housing - only for Amazon's Jeff Bezos and Starbucks to launch a national propaganda campaign (backed by Fox News) attacking Seattle's Socialist city councilwoman Kshama Sawant and Socialist Alternative and threatening all kinds of economic catastrophe - resulting in the Democrats on the city council to capitulate. SF's campaign benefited from Seattle's previous efforts to generate funds for housing for the poor.

- Washington (63%) voted to restrict the rights of police officers to use deadly force and compel all officers to undergo extensive training on 'de-escalation', mental health and first aid.

- A host of states voted to decriminalise the use of marijuana for medical and/or recreational use. A large number of states passed measures to inhibit gerrymandering and voter suppression and Massachusetts (69%) voted on measures to protect LGBT rights.

Even some of the defeats had significant votes - in Ohio 37% of people voted to reduce drug possession to a misdomeanour and that the savings were to be ring-fenced for rehab services. A m easure opposed by both Republicans and Democrats. California 39% of people voted state-wide rent control measure - corporate landlords spent over $100million defeating this proposal in California - however Sacramento voted in favour and the city council are planning on implementing rent controls in the city which would benefit more than 100,000 families (72% of those in rented accommodation).

Now - not all measures were progressive - Oregon, West Virginia and Alabama voted to increase restrictions on abortion - basically saying that abortions had to be privately funded and take place in private for-profit facilities.

In political terms the corporate Democrats are claiming that the results back their strategy of appealing to the 'middle ground' - when in reality they show the opposite - the more 'progressive' the campaign the better the result. It does raise the question of the DSA working within the Democrats - and already elements within the DSA are calling for a 'socialist caucus' in the House to promote a 'progressive' agenda. The battle lines are clearly drawn - and the next step is to build a mass movement of opposition to Trump - not to simply wait for 2020. This will get an echo - people can see how the electoral college can distort the result and give Trump an anti-democratic boost (as with the Senate elections where the Democrats got 9 million more votes and still lost seats in the Senate). The DSA could play a vital role in such a mass movement - we will have to wait and see if they draw the correct conclusions or become a mudguard for the corporate Democrats.
Excellent post
 

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Back in your comfort zone? This has nothing to do with RTE. It was straightforward lying from Miss Piggy on behalf of the Orange Oaf.
Told you how that George Hook thing would go with all those resignations by people who thought they couldn't be replaced. This is just politics being played out in front of the cameras and scores being settled.
 

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Told you how that George Hook thing would go with all those regisnations by people who thought they couldn't be replaced. This is just politics being played out in front of the cameras and scores being settled.
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Trump theatricals, I agree. He revels in mayhem, petty revenge and distractions. In fact we shouldn't even been discussing this latest farce. He has won if anyone takes him that seriously.
 

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In many respects the mid-terms were more notable for some of the propositions - rather than the Congressional and governor results. While some left and progressive candidates were elected - including a significant number of Democratic Socialist Alliance members at state level - the propositions provide more of a weather barometer as to the prevailing mood in the US – particularly in some so-called ‘red’ states.

E.g.
- Missouri (62%) to raise the minimum wage from $7.85 to $12 per hour - a measure that will benefit almost 700,000 workers in the state. Missouri also rejected “right to work” legislation designed to force people off welfare. It is worth noting that is is the state where the Democrats expected ultra conservative corporate Democrat Claire McCaskill to hold a Senate seat - yet while voters supported progressive measures, they rejected McCaskill.

- Arkansas (65%) voted to raise the minimum wage from $8.50 to $11 per hour. Arkansas is one of the poorest states in the USA with a median wage of $14.50 an hour.

- Idaho (67%), Nebraska, Montana (53%) and Utah (54%) all voted to expand Medicaid.

- Florida (65%) voters restored voting rights to 1.4 million (about 10% of voters) residents convicted of a felony who served their time.

- San Francisco (60%) passed a corporate tax that will raise $300million a year to aid the homeless and fund mental health services. This was similar to the measure promoted by Socialist Alternative in Seattle where a public campaign forced the city council to implement a 'head tax' designed to raise $500million a year to fund social housing - only for Amazon's Jeff Bezos and Starbucks to launch a national propaganda campaign (backed by Fox News) attacking Seattle's Socialist city councilwoman Kshama Sawant and Socialist Alternative and threatening all kinds of economic catastrophe - resulting in the Democrats on the city council to capitulate. SF's campaign benefited from Seattle's previous efforts to generate funds for housing for the poor.

- Washington (63%) voted to restrict the rights of police officers to use deadly force and compel all officers to undergo extensive training on 'de-escalation', mental health and first aid.

- A host of states voted to decriminalise the use of marijuana for medical and/or recreational use. A large number of states passed measures to inhibit gerrymandering and voter suppression and Massachusetts (69%) voted on measures to protect LGBT rights.

Even some of the defeats had significant votes - in Ohio 37% of people voted to reduce drug possession to a misdomeanour and that the savings were to be ring-fenced for rehab services. A m easure opposed by both Republicans and Democrats. California 39% of people voted state-wide rent control measure - corporate landlords spent over $100million defeating this proposal in California - however Sacramento voted in favour and the city council are planning on implementing rent controls in the city which would benefit more than 100,000 families (72% of those in rented accommodation).

Now - not all measures were progressive - Oregon, West Virginia and Alabama voted to increase restrictions on abortion - basically saying that abortions had to be privately funded and take place in private for-profit facilities.

In political terms the corporate Democrats are claiming that the results back their strategy of appealing to the 'middle ground' - when in reality they show the opposite - the more 'progressive' the campaign the better the result. It does raise the question of the DSA working within the Democrats - and already elements within the DSA are calling for a 'socialist caucus' in the House to promote a 'progressive' agenda. The battle lines are clearly drawn - and the next step is to build a mass movement of opposition to Trump - not to simply wait for 2020. This will get an echo - people can see how the electoral college can distort the result and give Trump an anti-democratic boost (as with the Senate elections where the Democrats got 9 million more votes and still lost seats in the Senate). The DSA could play a vital role in such a mass movement - we will have to wait and see if they draw the correct conclusions or become a mudguard for the corporate Democrats.
Do you really believe that calling everyone who disagreed with you a nazi bigot was appealing to the middle ground? You could not be more wrong, if the mid terms showed anything it was that despite the president being a blatant crude narcissistic conman, the Democrats could only make modest gains.The only way the democrats can win in 2020 is to jettison identity politics and the lunatics that espouse it.
 

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Sick post. Wonder will Plank have the same yank on the radio tomorrow who was bemoaning Trump's treatment of Acosta as an assault on freedom of the press? Doubt it.
Boo hoo, dry your eyes.

If you really can’t see the difference between the POTUS and a bunch of easily led no marks, then I can’t help you.
 

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Trump theatricals, I agree. He revels in mayhem, petty revenge and distractions. In fact we shouldn't even been discussing this latest farce. He has won if anyone takes him that seriously.
And it is a masterclass in spin. It gets the anti-Trump types reacting emotionally. He's living rent-free in their heads.

There's a great clip from the movie "Where The Buffalo Roam" that sums it up. :)

[video=youtube;Di3bqgAEoxY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di3bqgAEoxY[/video]
 

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And it is a masterclass in spin. It gets the anti-Trump types reacting emotionally. He's living rent-free in their heads.

There's a great clip from the movie "Where The Buffalo Roam" that sums it up. :)

[video=youtube;Di3bqgAEoxY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di3bqgAEoxY[/video]
It's why I said Acosta should have know better. Trump has been obsessed with him since 2016, he really is a very small man who becomes fixated on people in the media. Day after what Trump had finally realized was a defeat and more importantly - in his eyes- a rejection of him, personally, with Mueller now out of campaign purdah, he sacks Sessions and goes looking for blood in the press pool. Because he knows they will be emboldened and sniggering at him. That will drive him mad. So he spends ten minutes bemoaning how hostile they are, and calling Acosta an enemy of the people. Acosta should have seen it coming.

Once you realise Trump has the soul of a fourteen year old girl, as Hunter S Thompson claimed he possessed himself, but didn't really, it all becomes clear... :)
 

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Break the GOP BS that higher taxes is evil, it's a con job to fleece them and make the rich richer.
When that happens, don't give these people the excuse to say "sure the Dems are just the same", which is partly what happened in this country when the FF spell finally got broken.
Before Trump's tax cuts -

If you are earning $25,000 a year in America you pay the all your wages on Monday and about 40 minutes on Tuesday in taxes to the federal government

If you earn $1million a day you pay the first six hours of Monday in tax to the federal government. Someone on $25,000 a year has a bigger tax burden than someone earning $1million a day.

America is not a 'low tax' country - you pay federal taxes, state taxes (some of which can be written off against federal taxes), local government taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. High income earners in California pay 52.9% tax on their income. On top of that you also pay for things like water (average $112 per month for a family of four).

The USA is a country for the rich - real incomes for 99% of the population have barely risen in the last 50 years ago - for the 1% it is a different story.

By the way - the Democrats are the same as the GOP - they represent a different wing of corporate America.
 

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Before Trump's tax cuts -

If you are earning $25,000 a year in America you pay the all your wages on Monday and about 40 minutes on Tuesday in taxes to the federal government

If you earn $1million a day you pay the first six hours of Monday in tax to the federal government. Someone on $25,000 a year has a bigger tax burden than someone earning $1million a day.

America is not a 'low tax' country - you pay federal taxes, state taxes (some of which can be written off against federal taxes), local government taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. High income earners in California pay 52.9% tax on their income. On top of that you also pay for things like water (average $112 per month for a family of four).

The USA is a country for the rich - real incomes for 99% of the population have barely risen in the last 50 years ago - for the 1% it is a different story.

By the way - the Democrats are the same as the GOP - they represent a different wing of corporate America.
It’s amazing that they call the Dems left wing.
 

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It’s amazing that they call the Dems left wing.
I think there is a large part of the Democrtic party that are left wing but let's face it when the GOP brainwash people that the word "socialist" and "pedophile" are largely on a par with each other, it can be a hard sell in many parts of America
 

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I asked

Actually I just watched the exchange and I could not find any instance of Acosta "putting his hand " on the intern.

Can you post some links showing his alleged misbehaviour?
and you replied

I watched both of your links , at worst his "touching" of the intern was accidental. I would interpret what happened as she putting her arm into his way. She was the actor.

Nothing in Mr. Acosta's conduct was reprehensible, aggressive or wrong. He was insistent in trying for an answer, which he did not get.

If you disagree with me , please articulate precisely where Acosta did wrong. Time stamps in the links provided will be clear in where exactly you allege misconduct.
 
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