Trump to end DACA


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Trump expected to announce end to Obama-era DACA, official says | Fox News
Trump mulling ending DACA, but will make decision with 'big heart,' Pence says - ABC News

It's another hot potato issue: what to do about well settled undocumented people in the US that arrived as children, otherwise known as the 'DREAMers'.
DREAM Act
Efforts under Dubya and Obama to provide legal status to DREAMers upon certain conditions have failed in Congress. Obama responded by using executive authority to establish the DACA programme that put the DREAMers in the lowest priority for deportation provided they have clean records and other qualifications, basically giving them relief from deportation and a work permit pending a final resolution for them.

During the campaign, Trump told his base that he'd get rid of DACA. He then reversed course after being elected. Now, he's receiving pressure from a coalition of 10 red states that threaten to sue him unless he gets rid of DACA.
Paxton: Tuesday deadline for Trump to decide on DACA still stands - The Texas Tribune

Now apparently he will do so, although hinting of some other relief being in order.

Your thoughts for topic discussion as to this decision and what should be done about the DREAMers?
 

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Fantastic news. Another win for President Trump.

Play by the rules or don't come at all.
 

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Fantastic news. Another win for President Trump.

Play by the rules or don't come at all.
Since when has the US played by the rules on this topic and overall.

Hardly a win for him too for 2020. Playing hardball on DREAMers won't get him a vote he didn't already get. He won with virtually no cushion to start with and this, along with rakes of other self-inflicted wounds, puts him well underwater unless he provides relief for qualifying DREAMers and otherwise shapes up his act.
 
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Since when has the US played by the rules on this topic and overall.

Hardly a win for him too for 2020. Playing hardball on DREAMers won't get him a vote he didn't already get. He won with virtually no cushion to start with and this, along with rakes of other self-inflicted wounds, puts him well underwater unless he provides relief for qualifying DREAMers and otherwise shapes up his act.
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Since when has the US played by the rules on this topic and overall.

Hardly a win for him too for 2020. Playing hardball on DREAMers won't get him a vote he didn't already get. He won with virtually no cushion to start with and this, along with rakes of other self-inflicted wounds, puts him well underwater unless he provides relief for qualifying DREAMers and otherwise shapes up his act.
Nonesense.

Trump got more Latino vote than Romney.

And less of the White vote than Romney got too whilst promising to end DACA.

LOLz.

Real votes by real Americans count, not that of lawless Dreamers and the likes.
 

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Nonesense.

Trump got more Latino vote than Romney.

And less of the White vote than Romney got too whilst promising to end DACA.

LOLz.

Real votes by real Americans count, not that of lawless Dreamers and the likes.
It's still debated whether or not he exceeded Romney's horrible numbers with Latinos and appears to be a 'FOX fact', but even if he did for the sake of the argument, it's still a low percent.

First, Flip Flop Mitt opposed any and all relief whatsoever to well settled undocumented and productive immigrants. Trump first supported the DREAMers, then like Flip Flop Mitt as they both flip on a dime when expedient, flip flopped during the campaign to lure in his Bubba supporters. He opposed the DACA method, especially because Obama did it and his Bubbas like yourself are suckers for anything that goes after Obama. He did, however, promise some other kind of unspecified relief for them such as a possible 'flag pole'/'touchback' process for legalisation. Once elected, he flip flopped back again to stick with DACA until the Bubbas in certain red states have now threatened to sue him over that.

Second, HRC lacked credibility with blacks and Latinos over the Clintons' enacting IIRIRA in 1996, the crime bill that increased penalties along with the 'superpredators' remark, and HRC's support for building a wall of sorts (fencing and stuff) along the border. She also was old news and an uninspiring candidate and got major helping hands from Bernie on the left draining off support and Trump getting Putin and the Comey letter to assist him in the end.

Third, Trump also made his usual demagogic Trump University style promises to give everyone jobs, negotiate the best deals, get them the best health care cheaper, make the Rust Belt an industrial powerhouse, and pretty much 72 virgins with grapes in paradise and all that sh!t.

Even then, Flip Flop Mitt did better in the popular vote percent that Comrade Chumpsky did. He barely did better than Dukakis did in 1988 in daddy Bush's EC landslide win. Trump got by with less than 80000 votes in MI, WI and PA to pull off his upset win and was a point victor in FL whilst getting trounced in the popular vote, and that's not mentioning a rake of people that didn't vote for HRC that hated Chump and stayed home, voted down ballot or voted third party or write-ins for Bernie and whatnot.

Given so far he's performed like dogballs and only pleasing dogball Bubba supporters, he's in serious sh!t so far, motivating opposition against him when he had no room for error going forward given his election results.

Smart GOP people know that targeting DREAMers is yet another loser move....
Ryan asks Trump to hold off on scrapping DACA - CNNPolitics
Tennessee’s attorney general: I’ve changed my mind, DACA is good, pass the DREAM Act
Hill Republicans revive ‘Dream Act’ talks as Trump decides fate of Obama program - FOX News

Graham tells Republicans "moment of reckoning" is coming on Dream Act
 
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Big problem is that while technically this is 800,000, in reality with family reunification it's 5 million.
 

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He believes relief for DREAMers should be granted by Congress, a move he says he supports. That is the ultimate right answer...DACA was an EO attempt to hold over the DREAMers until Congress grants them relief.

During the Obama years, the GOP in the Senate (including Graham) filibustered the DREAM Act and the GOP Controlled House later refused to bring up the bipartisan passed comprehensive immigration reform that also offered them the relief.
 

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Big problem is that while technically this is 800,000, in reality with family reunification it's 5 million.
The big problem is that the US intentionally created its 'illegal' labour force because it wanted--yet again--a mass subclass of cheap disenfranchised labour to exploit. From a credibility and equitable standpoint, right wing objections to providing them legal status are invalid due to their unclean hands, connivance, and long time delays to enforce laws.

The DACA and DAPA people as defined therein are well settled and productive. They'll be even more so when given proper status. Grandfathering them along with proper border control and an honest visa programme that meets the US's labour needs in a fair and square manner is the way to go and put all this nonsense behind it.
 

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The scale of the immigration is resulting in ghettos and no go areas for police especially in California
 

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The scale of the immigration is resulting in ghettos and no go areas for police especially in California
The Crips and the Bloods were gang banging in the 1980s...

There were plenty of very dodgy areas in many US cities during the 1970s and 1980s etc... including New York...

Quit the endless bullsh!tting Dame FFS... cos you're not very good at it... :roll:
 

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Ask the victims of Rotherham in England, where Alexis Jays report found police were hamstrung in their response by PCness.
 

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DACA in all likelihood would have been deemed unconstitutional by the courts.

Obama tried to subvert the legislative process with executive order and that is being undone.

Trump, who by the way is keeping a campaign promise (he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't) is putting it back to Congress. If Congress wants it, they can pass it.
 
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