Trump will be re-elected if we don't stop the "noise".

benroe

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There is no doubt in my mind that Donald Trump is not in any way suited to being the president of the the USA, he is too brash, too thin skinned and lacks the political skills to get anything done.

However his anti-pc, anti global warming, anti immigration policies strike a chord with a sizable chunk of the electorate, a chunk that is perfectly willing to overlook his character flaws and his past indiscretions.

The fact is there will come from his past no silver bullet to bring him down and the constant hysteria of those opposing him only serves to strengthen the resolve of his supporters and may very well lead to a second term.

To avoid a second term his detractors are going to have to get over themselves, admit the facts listed below and get on with the task of picking better candidates, laying off the PC bull$hit and constructing good policies with some hope of appealing to those who voted Trump the last election.

1, Trump was elected in a free and fair election,
2, Trump did not collude with Russia,
3, Trump is not a racist,
4, Trump is not sexist,
5, Trump is not a fascist.

Every day some story comes out that has his detractors screaming, this is the final straw, enough is enough, and its all just noise, childish impotent noise that will not lose him a single vote, its time we stopped with the divisive hysterics and started addressing the reasons he was elected, stopped screaming and started listening.

Trumps supporters see his first year as a complete success, they think that despite his inexperience, despite his hysterical opponents and despite almost no support from mainstream media, has not done too badly in trying to keep the promises he made on the campaign trail and does not seem to have damaged the economies growth.

Its time to stop the noise, time to stop reacting, time to ignore his tweets, time to figure out how to handle a president obsessed with his own popularity and make dam sure he is not re-elected.
 


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If Trump is reelected, it will be due, in no small part, to the Democrats and their followers being idiots obsessed with identity politics and virtue signalling when people are concerned about their families and their jobs. To quote a famous Democrat slogan: "It's the economy, stupid!"
 
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I dunno. His "anti-pc, anti global warming, anti immigration policies strike a chord with a sizable chunk of the electorate, a chunk that is perfectly willing to overlook his character flaws and his past indiscretions" worked for him during his campaign. Those sorts of things often do work during campaigns. What was it that Pat Rabbitte said again?

His problem now is that he's actually the president and has both the House and Senate, and is expected by those people who elected him to produce. The more noise, the less producing.
 

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There is no doubt in my mind that Donald Trump is not in any way suited to being the president of the the USA, he is too brash, too thin skinned and lacks the political skills to get anything done.

However his anti-pc, anti global warming, anti immigration policies strike a chord with a sizable chunk of the electorate, a chunk that is perfectly willing to overlook his character flaws and his past indiscretions.

The fact is there will come from his past no silver bullet to bring him down and the constant hysteria of those opposing him only serves to strengthen the resolve of his supporters and may very well lead to a second term.

To avoid a second term his detractors are going to have to get over themselves, admit the facts listed below and get on with the task of picking better candidates, laying off the PC bull$hit and constructing good policies with some hope of appealing to those who voted Trump the last election.

1, Trump was elected in a free and fair election,
2, Trump did not collude with Russia,
3, Trump is not a racist,
4, Trump is not sexist,
5, Trump is not a fascist.

Every day some story comes out that has his detractors screaming, this is the final straw, enough is enough, and its all just noise, childish impotent noise that will not lose him a single vote, its time we stopped with the divisive hysterics and started addressing the reasons he was elected, stopped screaming and started listening.

Trumps supporters see his first year as a complete success, they think that despite his inexperience, despite his hysterical opponents and despite almost no support from mainstream media, has not done too badly in trying to keep the promises he made on the campaign trail and does not seem to have damaged the economies growth.

Its time to stop the noise, time to stop reacting, time to ignore his tweets, time to figure out how to handle a president obsessed with his own popularity and make dam sure he is not re-elected.
We don't know about 2. Your statement 3 and 4 are false. On 5, fascist is a pretty specific word but he's certainly displaying a number of authoritarian tendencies.

It's nonsense to suggest that a racist, sexist, authoritiarian President shouldn't be called out for being racist, sexist and authoritarian.

Also, your suggestion that he will be re-elected unless people give him a free pass on these things has absolutely no basis in evidence at all. Both electorally and in terms of approval ratings, every piece of evidence available to us tells us that the current means of opposing Trump is having an effect. Will that effect continue through to 2020 - maybe not. But it would be pretty stupid to change course without any evidence that it would be more effective in defeating him.

And that's before you get into the fact that it would be preferable to have eight years of Trump with the idea that it's OK to be a racist, sexist, authoritarian as President being robustly challenged, than to have four years of him but set the precedent that a racist, sexist, authoritarian can be President without challenge on those things.
 

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You mean time to grow up?

Yep. Though I suspect he's gained considerable ground with all the noise. It's called an own goal. He looks like the bullied not the bully.
 

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1, Trump was elected in a free and fair election,
2, Trump did not collude with Russia,
3, Trump is not a racist,
4, Trump is not sexist,
5, Trump is not a fascist.
Actually only 1 is true, the rest are arguable at best, but demonstrably true.

And "Trumps supporters see his first year as a complete success"? Er, yes. That is the sort of thing supporters do.

But I accept your prescriptions - Trump will have to be taken on and beaten at the policy level. Neither Ralph Northam in Virginia or Doug Jones in Alabama won by attacking Trump or his style, while their opponents tried to mimic him. There is a lesson there.

And a Trump thread to try to stop more pointless Trump threads? That shows chutzpah.
 

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There is no doubt in my mind that Donald Trump is not in any way suited to being the president of the the USA, he is too brash, too thin skinned and lacks the political skills to get anything done.

However his anti-pc, anti global warming, anti immigration policies strike a chord with a sizable chunk of the electorate, a chunk that is perfectly willing to overlook his character flaws and his past indiscretions.

The fact is there will come from his past no silver bullet to bring him down and the constant hysteria of those opposing him only serves to strengthen the resolve of his supporters and may very well lead to a second term.

To avoid a second term his detractors are going to have to get over themselves, admit the facts listed below and get on with the task of picking better candidates, laying off the PC bull$hit and constructing good policies with some hope of appealing to those who voted Trump the last election.

1, Trump was elected in a free and fair election,
2, Trump did not collude with Russia,
3, Trump is not a racist,
4, Trump is not sexist,
5, Trump is not a fascist.

Every day some story comes out that has his detractors screaming, this is the final straw, enough is enough, and its all just noise, childish impotent noise that will not lose him a single vote, its time we stopped with the divisive hysterics and started addressing the reasons he was elected, stopped screaming and started listening.

Trumps supporters see his first year as a complete success, they think that despite his inexperience, despite his hysterical opponents and despite almost no support from mainstream media, has not done too badly in trying to keep the promises he made on the campaign trail and does not seem to have damaged the economies growth.

Its time to stop the noise, time to stop reacting, time to ignore his tweets, time to figure out how to handle a president obsessed with his own popularity and make dam sure he is not re-elected.
I would say he IS racist and sexist but so are a large proportion of those who voted for him, and the rest wouldn't be too bothered whether he was or not. I don't know if he's a fascist, it's a word that gets thrown around a lot these days mostly by people with little knowledge and zero experience of actual fascism. I agree he was elected in a free and fair elections thanks largely to the Democrats putting up and stubbornly sticking with a baggage-ridden candidate with limited charisma or people skills. I think there was Russian interference though I doubt it was decisive - I suspect Trump was aware of their machinations but that'll never be proven.
 

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Trump was elected mainly because his opponents consistently underestimated him. Most focus has been on Clinton's mistakes but the original **** up was among the Republicans who ignored Trump until he was too far ahead to stop. Politicians take their work seriously and they are not going to repeat the series of mistakes.
 

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We don't know about 2. Your statement 3 and 4 are false. On 5, fascist is a pretty specific word but he's certainly displaying a number of authoritarian tendencies.

It's nonsense to suggest that a racist, sexist, authoritiarian President shouldn't be called out for being racist, sexist and authoritarian.

Also, your suggestion that he will be re-elected unless people give him a free pass on these things has absolutely no basis in evidence at all. Both electorally and in terms of approval ratings, every piece of evidence available to us tells us that the current means of opposing Trump is having an effect. Will that effect continue through to 2020 - maybe not. But it would be pretty stupid to change course without any evidence that it would be more effective in defeating him.

And that's before you get into the fact that it would be preferable to have eight years of Trump with the idea that it's OK to be a racist, sexist, authoritarian as President being robustly challenged, than to have four years of him but set the precedent that a racist, sexist, authoritarian can be President without challenge on those things.

I don't think he is any more racist or sexist than previous presidents, he has lived the life of a billionaire not one of a perspective president.
 

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Trump was elected mainly because his opponents consistently underestimated him. Most focus has been on Clinton's mistakes but the original **** up was among the Republicans who ignored Trump until he was too far ahead to stop. Politicians take their work seriously and they are not going to repeat the series of mistakes.
HRC in 2008. HRC in 2016?
 

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As we remember MLK Jr.’s legacy this weekend, we cannot forget that he was a victim of warrantless spying by the US government. The US has a long track record of secretly monitoring civil rights activists & others who dared to stand up for their rights
 

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Trump is doing great. Everyone is talking about Trump, the man, and the daily litany of soundbites, tweets and distractions, and nobody is talking about the real government, the shadow government of shady corporations and financiers and globalists, who really run the show.

Any future election, to re-elect Trump, or get rid of Trump, will be a charade, just as the election that brought him to power was. It would have made no difference if Clinton was elected, or Sanders, or anyone. The US elections are a charade, just as our elections are a charade. The permanent shadow government rumbles on, undisturbed by charades, circuses, or daily distractions in the media. So long as the blind hordes have some nonsense to distract them every day, who cares if Trump declares the Earth to be flat.

The issue is that the word democracy has been hijacked as a meaningless meme to cod everyone that they somehow still have a stake in their own lives, and are not slaves to the greatest criminal heist that mankind ever perpetrated.
 

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If Trump is reelected, it will be due, in no small part, to the Democrats and their followers being idiots obsessed with identity politics and virtue signalling when people are concerned about their families and their jobs. To quote a famous Democrat slogan: "It's the economy, stupid!"
Yes its time people realised that Trump is a player ,he is not the game and constantly tackling him without ever getting the ball is not a winning strategy.
 

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We don't know about 2. Your statement 3 and 4 are false. On 5, fascist is a pretty specific word but he's certainly displaying a number of authoritarian tendencies.

It's nonsense to suggest that a racist, sexist, authoritiarian President shouldn't be called out for being racist, sexist and authoritarian.

Also, your suggestion that he will be re-elected unless people give him a free pass on these things has absolutely no basis in evidence at all. Both electorally and in terms of approval ratings, every piece of evidence available to us tells us that the current means of opposing Trump is having an effect. Will that effect continue through to 2020 - maybe not. But it would be pretty stupid to change course without any evidence that it would be more effective in defeating him.

And that's before you get into the fact that it would be preferable to have eight years of Trump with the idea that it's OK to be a racist, sexist, authoritarian as President being robustly challenged, than to have four years of him but set the precedent that a racist, sexist, authoritarian can be President without challenge on those things.
Spot on

The narrative in the OP that Trump is running rings around the Dems and strolling to a certain second term is total and provable BS
He has a surging 8 year economic tailwind.
That is currently about the only thing standing between him and being left stranded on 25% and facing incineration
A POTUS just a year in having been dealt a hand of aces like that, should be on 70% approval
The fact that he is sub 40% instead, is solely down to his own hideous personal failings and personality.
Any political opponent who wouldn't look to take advantage of that would be nuts.

To ignore Trump or worse still give him a free pass on what comes out of his gob would be lunacy

The Dems have played it well so far, they have also outperformed in every single material election since Trump was elected, often spectacularly so.
They also do not need an early totemic type figure to emerge 3 years out, it sure didn't serve them well last time.

The Dems will look to drive turnout through the roof, a target of probably 70 million is probably out of reach for any GOP candidate, let alone this divisive jerk
They are going after the votes they know they can win, attempts to woo hard core Trump base would mean joining him in the sewer to compete for them and probably be futile anyway.
GOP similarly will stick with him but as we saw in Virginia and Alabama, apathy may keep them away from polls, that would be best Dems can hope for.

Finally, if the OP is true, surely the GOP would be delighted.
Do they look delighted that the Dems are in total disarray and facing yet more electoral losses?
 
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Spot on

The narrative in the OP that Trump is running rings around the Dems and strolling to a certain second term is total and provable BS
He has a surging 8 year economic tailwind.
That is currently about the only thing standing between him and being left stranded on 25% and facing incineration
A POTUS just a year in having been dealt a hand of aces like that, should be on 70% approval
The fact that he is sub 40% instead, is solely down to his own hideous personal failings and personality.
Any political opponent who wouldn't look to take advantage of that would be nuts.

To ignore Trump or worse still give him a free pass on what comes out of his gob would be lunacy

The Dems have played it well so far, they have also outperformed in every single material election since Trump was elected, often spectacularly so.
They also do not need an early totemic type figure to emerge 3 years out, it sure didn't serve them well last time.

The Dems will look to drive turnout through the roof, a target of probably 70 million is probably out of reach for any GOP candidate, let alone this divisive jerk

Finally, if the OP is true, surely the GOP would be delighted.
Do they look delighted that the Dems are in total disarray and facing yet more electoral losses?
FOUR MORE YEARS>>>>>:cool:
 

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The Democrats just need to try Hillary again.

Because it is HER turn.
 

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As we remember MLK Jr.’s legacy this weekend, we cannot forget that he was a victim of warrantless spying by the US government. The US has a long track record of secretly monitoring civil rights activists & others who dared to stand up for their rights
Like occurred with the Obama Administration to the point that it caused Snowden to break ranks.
 

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HRC in 2008. HRC in 2016?
It is time for Chelsea Hubble to step forward.

How much will that cost the Clinton Fundation ?
 

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You mean time to grow up?

Yep. Though I suspect he's gained considerable ground with all the noise. It's called an own goal. He looks like the bullied not the bully.
It is a bit like the mainstream media here in the way they treat the Shinners- they are trying to hurt but they end up helping.
 


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