Turkey to invade Kurdish area of Syria.



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The Kurds were always going to be shafted, as soon as they had outlived their usefulness to the US.
Article says nothing about how Russian and Syrian forces might respond to this, but we can assume that Erdogan and Putin have already discussed the next moves.
This is going to impact "our own" Lisa Smith.
Turkey will take custody of foreign fighters captured in the US-led campaign against the Islamic State group who have been held by the Kurdish forces, she added.
 

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If the Kurds move their forces to Northern Syria, it will leave a vacuum for ISIS to regroup in their old stamping grounds..

The Kurds YPG were the backbone of the destruction of ISIS in Syria, not Assad or Putin, or Trump for that matter.
 

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This is just sick and shows the depths to which the US has fallen.


In a string of tweets defending the decision, Trump acknowledged the Kurdish role but appeared to argue that the Kurds had already been fairly compensated. Trump’s decision amounts to what many see as a stunning betrayal of a crucial ally, as Turkey has long viewed Kurdish forces as a terrorist organization.
Right, the US helped the UK in World War II, but Lend-Lease was paid back, and the UK gave up valuable trade concessions in South America to the USA, plus bases in the West Indies. Was that all there was to it? The US was a mercenary?
 

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Given that Erdogan can't be trusted to keep the imprisoned jihadists in detention, I guess that the Syrian Kurdish guards, before they go to fight the Turks, have nothing to lose by turning their guns in the direction of their prisoners ........
 

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... the Syrian Kurdish guards, before they go to fight the Turks, have nothing to lose by turning their guns in the direction of their prisoners ........
Lets hope so. Otherwise expect a flood of jihadis back towards Europe. And these ones are some of the most battle hardened and unrepentant of all.
 

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When you sup with the Great Satan it is always best to take a long spoon.
 

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It's said that Saddam gassed the Kurds...and Reagan kept arming him.
Bush Sr. promised to support the Kurds if they fought Saddam, then let them be slaughtered.
Trump took credit for Kurds defeating ISIS, now pulls out of Syria so they can be slaughtered by Turkey.
And today is Putin's birthday.
 

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I would guess the Americans cut a deal with Turkey.

The Turks will be allowed into northern Syria. But the Americans will retain a presence in eastern Syria, adjacent to the border of Iraq. There are oilfields which the Americans want to deny to the Assad government.
 

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When you sup with the Great Satan it is always best to take a long spoon.
Imagine looking at what transpired there over the past five years (mass murder, sex-slavery, unimaginable cruelty) and selecting a power who worked against it as the villain in the piece. This is the morally deranging effect anti-Americanism has on so many.
 

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If the Kurds move their forces to Northern Syria, it will leave a vacuum for ISIS to regroup in their old stamping grounds..

The Kurds YPG were the backbone of the destruction of ISIS in Syria, not Assad or Putin, or Trump for that matter.
Well it's Putin that's running this particular show, not Assad, Trump or even Erdogan. He appears to have reached a modus vivendi with the latter, which isn't surprising given their shared authoritarian instincts. As for the poor old Kurds, they've seen it all before, sadly.
 

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Given that Erdogan can't be trusted to keep the imprisoned jihadists in detention, I guess that the Syrian Kurdish guards, before they go to fight the Turks, have nothing to lose by turning their guns in the direction of their prisoners ........
Why should they do that? I’m sure their numerous enemies would use such slaughter as propaganda against them - Lord knows, they could end up in front of some tribunal for it. We’ll be lucky if they simply leave that problem for whoever takes over rather than throwing open the gates. There is already concern that some may escape in the confusion:

İbrahim Doğuş, the founder of the London-based Centre for Kurdish Progress, said if an invasion were to take place “the SDF may not be able to control the camps and prisons due to relocating its forces while Turkey may decide to release them to use against SDF and then let them go anywhere they want”. Both scenarios were dangerous, he said.


At least Trump is getting bipartisan criticism for this treacherous move. Republicans are being unusually frank:

 
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Imagine looking at what transpired there over the past five years (mass murder, sex-slavery, unimaginable cruelty) and selecting a power who worked against it as the villain in the piece. This is the morally deranging effect anti-Americanism has on so many.
The lack of education here is astounding.
 

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Well it's Putin that's running this particular show, not Assad, Trump or even Erdogan. He appears to have reached a modus vivendi with the latter, which isn't surprising given their shared authoritarian instincts. As for the poor old Kurds, they've seen it all before, sadly.
Hang on a minute. The orange turd is giving the Turks free reign to murder the Kurds. Feck all to do with that bastard Putin.
 

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Imagine looking at what transpired there over the past five years (mass murder, sex-slavery, unimaginable cruelty) and selecting a power who worked against it as the villain in the piece. This is the morally deranging effect anti-Americanism has on so many.
Indeed this is a region that saw unimaginable barbarity, and is probably about to see some more.

Bringing the ISIS Caliphate to an end was an honourable and just achievement, brought about mainly by Kurdish fighting forces in Syria, backed by the US.
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So do you not think that abandoning those forces to face another foreign oppressor, while allowing ISIS a chance to regroup, is a policy that risks multiple catastrophic outcomes? Do you not think that Allies who have been as loyal as Israel, or Saudi Arabia, while being much less manipulative, deserve better?
 

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A fairly accurate summary ...


The Kurds best (and mainly their only) option is to do a deal with Assad and Putin in return for some form of autonomy. That means that at some point in the future, they will also be at the mercy of whoever is in change of Damascus.

It also means that the Kurds could be now on the "other" side, a side that includes Iran.

It is also a signal to US Allies in places like Iraq and Afghanistan that the US is not to be trusted, or that (in particular) Trump is not to be trusted. Just like the way he abandoned a nuclear deal with Iran, made by his predecessor.

The only allies Trump will seriously go to bat for are the Saudis, because of money, and the Israelis, because of Christian Zionist votes.
 
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Imagine looking at what transpired there over the past five years (mass murder, sex-slavery, unimaginable cruelty) and selecting a power who worked against it as the villain in the piece. This is the morally deranging effect anti-Americanism has on so many.
ISIL were a product of the Yankee destruction of Iraq as well as the sectarianism both they and the UK encouraged in order to divide and conquer the country and also had the backing of the Zionist colonial project who are the Yankees best buddies in the region so spare me. Because of their cultural pathologies there is no way the Kurds should be given a state. One state serving a base for global organized crime and linked to it on very high levels indeed in the region is enough.
 

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Everyone with half a brain knew this would happen. Supporting the Kurds was irreconcilable in the long run with having decent relations with Turkey, who are a regional power. Only an idiot would choose the Kurds over Turkey.

The Kurds are evacuating Deir El Zor now. I recon the government will retake the whole city and the oil fields to the east as the Kurds reinforce the north.
 

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Maybe this will be the "little event" that starts Trump's downfall? It gives Republicans an opportunity to distance themselves from Trump.
 


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