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Tuskar Rock 24 March 1968


Catalpa

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Surprised no one has mentioned this at it is certainly the most well known and indeed mysterious Air Disaster in Irish Aviation History.

Does anyone on here have any family connection with any of the victims of that tragedy?

To this day the cause of the crash is unknown.

I know a British military guided missle has been blamed though they deny it.

A bird perhaps or critical structural failure?

IIRC only a few of the bodies were ever recovered.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0324/tuskar.html
 


Decko

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the strong belief of AL employees at the time, family of pilot Barney O'Beirne and others involved is that it was brought down by a stray British missile
 

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Catalpa said:
cactus flower said:
Oooo Catalpa: gravedigging on a Monday????
Thats not funny.
Its obvious that you have listened to the documentary and read the press, and that you know there is no story hear apart from a nasty accident.
You are very bold to make a game of this.
 

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cactus flower said:
Catalpa said:
[quote="cactus flower":ta9utvla]Oooo Catalpa: gravedigging on a Monday????
Thats not funny.
Its obvious that you have listened to the documentary and read the press, and that you know there is no story hear apart from a nasty accident.
You are very bold to make a game of this.[/quote:ta9utvla]

The whole thing was shrouded in mystery from day 1. My father personally knew two of the victims - indeed it was he who sent them on that flight.

I can clearly recall my mother at the time recounting some of the stories coming out - none of them related to an 'nasty accident' taking place.
 

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I think the book 'Tragedy at Tuskar Rock' by Mike Reynolds is very convincing in concluding that there was no missile. It sets out a well-argued hypothesis that the Viscount got into severe difficulties not long after departing Cork and flew in a highly disabled state for about 10 minutes before eventually succumbing.
 

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If it's all so cut and dried then why 40 years on is there such disquiet about it and why is it that every so often someone who had a role in the rescue or witnessed something suddenly comes forward. A veil of silence was drawn over the Tuskar Rock crash. Yesterday on local radio we heard one man, Moss Egan, who at the time was a naval engineer on board the Irish Naval Service ship LE Cliona tell of how they had discovered an unusual piece of metal from the sea near the Tuskar Rock and they were "ordered by the British Navy" to take it to Milford Haven. A British naval ship in Irish waters ordering an Irish naval ship into a British port and they meekly went? Naturally they never heard any more about their find.


The Tuskar Rock tragedy is still very much in the minds of thousands of people in Cork, especially Ballyphehane where most of the dead came from. They need answers and are entitled to them. Don't tell them to "let it rest". Official reports can be doctored too, and have been in the past.
 

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These type of conspiracy theories are pretty nonsensical. And it is always Conservative Republicans that drag them up. And every year it is the same. There is no point. There is an official report, the state papers from that time have been released. The rest is all pretty spurious speculation and really serves no one.
 

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Nem said:
These type of conspiracy theories are pretty nonsensical. And it is always Conservative Republicans that drag them up. And every year it is the same. There is no point. There is an official report, the state papers from that time have been released. The rest is all pretty spurious speculation and really serves no one.
I bet you'd say exactly the same about the 74 Dublin/Monaghan bombings.
 

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Lest anyone think that the Viscount has a safety record comparable to modern airliners, note that 146 Viscounts (of 445 built) are recorded as 'crashed' in aerotransport.org. While many of these losses were not caused by mechanical failure of the aircraft, and many were not with first-tier carriers like Aer Lingus, several are similar in nature to the loss of EI-AOM.

Contrast these figures with the Boeing 777, which first flew 14 years ago. Of 704 built 1 has crashed, and even that was without fatality or serious injury.

It is certainly not the case that the only rational explanation for the 1968 crash is a strike or disturbance by a missile. And, as reflected by the 2002 AAIU report, the totality of the recorded evidence does not support the missile hypothesis.

One of the difficulties with the case is the apparant lack of correlation between the witness sightings and the transcipt of the exchanges between Shannon Centre and EI-AOM. Unfortunately the ATC tapes have been destroyed. This means that there will always be an element of mystery about the tragedy.

It seems to me that the main support for the missile theory is desire that it be so rather than evidence.
 

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FYI..

https://afloat.ie/safety/rescue/item/38427-aer-lingus-tragedy-to-be-commemorated-at-rosslare

The 50th anniversary of the St.Phelim Aer Lingus tragedy in which the 4 crew and 57 passengers all died is to be commemorated at Rosslare on Saturday, March 24 next. There will be a wreath laying ceremony at the crash site with a Naval Vessel, the RNLI, Irish Lights, Irish Coastguard and other agencies present. A number of relatives will be taken to the site by the Navy for the ceremony. This will be followed by a Memorial Ceremony at Rosslare Harbour
 

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Wasn't this incident Aer Lingus' only fatal crash?

The officer on the LÉ and also HMS Penelope was testing missiles at Aberporth?
 

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Wasn't this incident Aer Lingus' only fatal crash?
No. There was also a fatal training flight that crashed in 1967 at Ballymadun near Ashbourne.
 

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Wasn't this incident Aer Lingus' only fatal crash?

The officer on the LÉ and also HMS Penelope was testing missiles at Aberporth?
Three Aer Lingus Vickers Viscounts crashed in the space of 9 months (June 1967 to March 1968). Two of these incidents involved fatalities, the other serious injuries). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Vickers_Viscount

Pure post-1966 nationalism might not have been the only reason for the missile theory to gain traction.
 

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