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Two jailed for online hate posts


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Two neo-nazis have been jailed in Britain for posting messages on their neo-Nazi web forum which incited violence against Jews.

Michael Heaton, 42, of Leigh, Greater Manchester, and Trevor Hannington, 58, from Hirwaun, described Jews as "scum" and encouraged people to kill them.
The self-proclaimed neo-Nazis were both cleared of soliciting murder. Heaton was convicted of stirring up racial hatred - a charge Hannington admitted.
Heaton was jailed for 30 months and Hannington for two years.

Justice Irwin told Heaton his words were of the most "insulting and extreme nature" marked by "violent racism" and said only a significant jail term was acceptable.
BBC News - Neo-Nazis jailed over anti-Jewish internet posts


Two questions - if the incitement to murder charges were dropped, should they have been jailed for 'stirring up racial hatred'? And what is the law here in Ireland, is encouraging murder in web posts a similarly-punished offence?
 


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Two neo-nazis have been jailed in Britain for posting messages on their neo-Nazi web forum which incited violence against Jews.

BBC News - Neo-Nazis jailed over anti-Jewish internet posts


Two questions - if the incitement to murder charges were dropped, should they have been jailed for 'stirring up racial hatred'? And what is the law here in Ireland, is encouraging murder in web posts a similarly-punished offence?
It may well be under the Non Fatal Offences Against the Person Act
 

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Two neo-nazis have been jailed in Britain for posting messages on their neo-Nazi web forum which incited violence against Jews.

BBC News - Neo-Nazis jailed over anti-Jewish internet posts


Two questions - if the incitement to murder charges were dropped, should they have been jailed for 'stirring up racial hatred'? And what is the law here in Ireland, is encouraging murder in web posts a similarly-punished offence?
Mmmmm technically it's possible but I am aware of only one prosecution since 1998. It's a rather nebulous offence and incredibly difficult to prove.
 

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They deserve to be jailed.

Ps I love you all.(eh I don't want to go to jail)
 

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Someone posted a photo of the inside of Ivor the Eejit's holiday home. There should be a statute against crimes of appalling taste, he could serve the sentence for diddling his expenses concurrently.
 

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Two neo-nazis have been jailed in Britain for posting messages on their neo-Nazi web forum which incited violence against Jews.

BBC News - Neo-Nazis jailed over anti-Jewish internet posts


Two questions - if the incitement to murder charges were dropped, should they have been jailed for 'stirring up racial hatred'? And what is the law here in Ireland, is encouraging murder in web posts a similarly-punished offence?
My question is why do muslims get away with screaming from the rooftops right under the nose of policemen in alot of cases the same type of hatred speech and inciting violence? :rolleyes:
 

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Incitement to murder and kill is wrong. However the issue of what is hate speech is different. For example many liberals here have called me and other 'bigots' and our language 'hate speech' for opposing gay marriage. Despite the fact that President Obama and former Australian Labour PM Kevin Rudd both opposed it too. So who will define what constitutes hate speech?
 

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What about racial hate posts? I'm not sure my freedom of speech sensibilities extend as far as racialist hatred.
Your freedom of speech counts for little in Ireland as the constitution qualifies it as being subject to "public order and morality".

The law prohibits inciting hatred against a group of persons on account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins, membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation.

So posting a racial comment which would be threatening, abusive or insulting and would be intended to be or, having regard to all the circumstances, would be likely to stir up hatred would be an offence.
 

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It all depends on the context of the statements.

For example, there is lots of racist sentiment across this site. Many of the racists on P.ie are generally in denial so are less overt.

so, I wouldn't dream of any on here getting arrested but I have zero sympathy for expressed Neo-nazi's.
 

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Its bizarre the charges for incitement to murder were dropped.
Well they still got jail time for 'Racism'..
 
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What about racial hate posts? I'm not sure my freedom of speech sensibilities extend as far as racialist hatred. Appeasing the devil and all that. What about encouraging the shooting of a visiting head of state (which I saw here the other day)? Is that a criminal offence, I wonder?
No - the mods said that was fine;)
 

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Incitement to murder and kill is wrong. However the issue of what is hate speech is different. For example many liberals here have called me and other 'bigots' and our language 'hate speech' for opposing gay marriage. Despite the fact that President Obama and former Australian Labour PM Kevin Rudd both opposed it too. So who will define what constitutes hate speech?
Obama tries to be all things to all people on this subject. He is in favour of civil partnership. He opposes gay marriage on "religious grounds" and yet was against prop 8 in California which he said was "divisive and discriminatory". So go figure!

Kevin Rudd is certainly more forthright in his opposition to gm. But he has no ppolicy on LGBT adoption and is happy to leave that to the individual states to decide. Some permit, some don't and some do in certain circumstances.
 

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They deserved to be jailed because they were literally advocating genocide against Jews and other ethnic-minorities - with potentially tragic consequences. Note the Loyalist NI flags in one of their bedrooms beside the swastika's.
 

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No - the mods said that was fine;)
No, they didn't.

So far as I remember, and if I am wrong, please point me back to the post, but the sentiment was

"if someone was to shoot her, I wouldn't cry over it, or lose any sleep"

That is different from

"I want someone to shoot her, and I would support their efforts in doing so"

There's a subtle difference.

Eg, I wouldn't be overly bothered if some of the worst child sex offenders were killed.. but I am not advocating that people go and kill them
 
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No, they didn't.

So far as I remember, and if I am wrong, please point me back to the post, but the sentiment was

"if someone was to shoot her, I wouldn't cry over it, or lose any sleep"

That is different from

"I want someone to shoot her, and I would support their efforts in doing so"

There's a subtle difference.

Eg, I wouldn't be overly bothered if some of the worst child sex offenders were killed.. but I am not advocating that people go and kill them
These were two posts I reported (not that I give a toss about the Queen, just thought the site would get in trouble)..

If she comes to Ireland she should be met with a hail of bullets and bombs and the people should protest against our Government and traitorous President for even entertaining the idea.
http://www.politics.ie/2783616-post97.html

Hope she takes a boat ride off the coast.
Rest In Pieces with Mountbatten
http://www.politics.ie/2783621-post98.html
 

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I'll get some flack on this.. but how were most of the posts in the Gaza/Hamas blockade threads (here in P.ie) much different than those that got them arrested? Some of those posts were pretty inflamatory.
 

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