Two Separate cases of Homeless Found Dead Today.

Lara2

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That seems sensible to me. The Local Authorities have only ever wanted to house 'deserving' cases; not travellers and similar.

What's the problem as you see it?
What's the problem as I see it?
Four words: Irish Water Mark Two.
Also, there is no time for this dilly-dallying and experimentation.
 


Old Mr Grouser

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What policy?

A woman dies in a hotel and a man sleeping on the streets out of choice also dies.

This has nothing to do with the government.
I agree with you about the woman in the hotel, but not in regard the man sleeping in the street.

Street-sleeping should be illegal, as it was in the old days.

There needs to be a re-establishment of 'tramps' workhouses'.

I think they've only been gone for about fifty years, and they're badly needed.
 

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RIP

The state has consistently failed to provide and will continue to fail. There are laws that define what can and cannot be built, where building can and cannot happen. They're pretty good at penning these laws and the other machinations of the state, the legal system, are just as good at enforcing them.

It's time to start ignoring these laws, the state's duty and to start looking out for our own. Doesn't take much material and labour to build a house. It's the state's red tape that makes it pretty much unaffordable. Why not seize public land and build what's needed, state and its facilitators bedamned?

They can't jail us all. But so long as they insist on telling folks that they can or cannot have shelter we meekly jail ourselves.
Rubbish.

The Irish state has provided hundreds of thousands of houses to the less well off.

Dublin itself is ringed with huge local authority estates like Tallaght, Ballyfermot,Ballymun, Crumlin, and many others.

Likewise other Irish cities and towns.

All these thousands upon thousands of houses were built by money provided by the Irish state.
 

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What policy?

A woman dies in a hotel and a man sleeping on the streets out of choice also dies.

This has nothing to do with the government.
Correct. This has nothing to do with the Government and everything to do with the pervailing sentiment that responsobility is solely the Government's domain. There were 44 beds available within a 30 minute walk, but this unfortunate individual chose NOT to avail of the service. Until people wise up to the facts that the government and it's subsidiaries are not out to get them/step in as parents, but are there to facilitate their participation in their future, we will always have people who choose not to engage. The choice is there, and is theirs.
 

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I agree with you about the woman in the hotel, but not in regard the man sleeping in the street.

Street-sleeping should be illegal, as it was in the old days.

There needs to be a re-establishment of 'tramps' workhouses'.

I think they've only been gone for about fifty years, and they're badly needed.
I know who you are:

 

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As for the proposed new Quango, The previous minister for homelessness Coveney gave excuses that he was only new in the job then used one lame duck after another to excuse him doing absolutely nothing about the problem and the latest minister with responsibility did the exact same, they are all simply kicking the can off way down the road hoping it goes in the gutter "out of sight - out of mind".

Any new Quango will be another opportunity for government and incompetent ministers to make excuse after lame duck excuse about how the quango was only set up a year or two years ago and Rome wasn't built in a day etc

Whatever about some of the posts here being described as contemptible I feel the only true contemptible actions here are the non-actions of contemptible Leo and his contemptible Cabinet and contemptible government.
 

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Let's face it, Murphy is the equivalent of your "political dumb blond" promoted for supporting a particular leader, political love child of that puce Noonan who has sold Ireland inc to every vulture fund he encouraged and then in collusion with Revenue NAMA allowed them setup SPV with charitable status, some even supposedly for homelessness.

The policies of Noonan and FG Labour are directly responsible for the crisis in housing and the likes of Murphy, Coveny and that idiot from Labour bear full responsibility for the ongoing crisis.

Homelessness is the political policy of FG and no Quango will solve it.
 

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Rubbish.

The Irish state has provided hundreds of thousands of houses to the less well off.

Dublin itself is ringed with huge local authority estates like Tallaght, Ballyfermot,Ballymun, Crumlin, and many others.

Likewise other Irish cities and towns.

All these thousands upon thousands of houses were built by money provided by the Irish state.
The money doesn't appear out of thin air. We give it to them. To spend in the service of our needs. That's a major part of the social contract. Kids living in a car, in a hotel where they cannot socialise and that's nowhere near their school are evidence of a failed social contract. The fact is, regardless as to your opinion, the amount of housing built has never once met the needs of this state, since its foundation. Platitudes superimposed onto opinion changes nothing.
 

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... What do you mean by "deserving cases"?
There's still the old Victorian idea of a distinction between the deserving and undeserving poor; that the State should help decet people who've fallen on hard times through no fault of their own but it's wrong to spend taxpayers' money on social housing for individuals or families impoverished by fecklessness or alcoholism et al.
 

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There's still the old Victorian idea of a distinction between the deserving and undeserving poor; that the State should help decet people who've fallen on hard times through no fault of their own but it's wrong to spend taxpayers' money on social housing for individuals or families impoverished by fecklessness or alcoholism et al.
A lot of people end up falling into alcohol or drug abuse through being homeless rather than the other way around.
 

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I know who you are:

No I'm not, but that man's right. It used to be illegal for people to sleep rough, and the other side of the coin was that the authorities had to arrange night-shelters for tramps and derelicts.
 

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Oh FFS. Let's start blame where it actually exists:

1. Drug dealers who identify potential customers to the point where they would sooner live and die in a sewer than 1, do without their fix, 2. recruit other addicts.
2. Those who insist that their addict relatives/friends just need to government to pay their way, rather than help those who really are serious about getting back to rewarding/fulfilling lives.
3. Allowing council tenants to buy up council housing stock at a discount, not building replacements and leaving us as a nation with nowhere to house those most in need.

We will always have vulnerable people who need to be helped, but equally we will always have people who will play the system. Determining which is which is never going to be easy.
 

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Correct. This has nothing to do with the Government and everything to do with the pervailing sentiment that responsobility is solely the Government's domain. There were 44 beds available within a 30 minute walk, but this unfortunate individual chose NOT to avail of the service. Until people wise up to the facts that the government and it's subsidiaries are not out to get them/step in as parents, but are there to facilitate their participation in their future, we will always have people who choose not to engage. The choice is there, and is theirs.
Have you any idea of why people don't want to sleep in those hostels? The fuking places are more dangerous than sleeping on the streets for one.
 

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A lot of people end up falling into alcohol or drug abuse through being homeless rather than the other way around.
I disagree. People fall into alcohol or drug abuse through believing there is no other way. This can be cultural ie passed down from parents, or as a result of real trauma. Regardless, the choice is there. Some are strong enough to take back control, some aren't. For those that aren't, tying the state's hands is only ever going to end in tragedy.
 

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Have you any idea of why people don't want to sleep in those hostels? The fuking places are more dangerous than sleeping on the streets for one.
Spot on.

That's why the old 'Tramps' Workhouses' used to lock their guests into cells for overnight.
 

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Two homeless people were found dead today. A man in his fifties was found on Suffolk St, just off Grafton St, and a Dublin mother of two children was found dead in a hotel in Kildare. No foul play or suspicious death in either case.

Rough sleeper (50s) discovered dead just yards from Dublin's Grafton Street - Independent.ie

Homeless woman found dead in Co Kildare hotel
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0831/901330-homeless-woman/

And only this morning Eoghan Murphy's new plan was to get rid of Council/Local Authority's role in housing and set up a completely new quango altogether.:roll: And while we wait and the plans and reports rumble on, people die.

This govt and previous have the above deceased's blood all over their hands.

Edit,
I have only included the RTE link because that's where I heard it on the 5 O'Clock news, very little information yet.
Forgive me, but you know no details about either death, but are willing to blame Eoghan Murphy. Aren't you being a little previous?

This line is as disgusting as it is stupid:

"This govt and previous have the above deceased's blood all over their hands."
 

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Have you any idea of why people don't want to sleep in those hostels? The fuking places are more dangerous than sleeping on the streets for one.
I am perfectly aware of that, having lost a family member to just such circumtances. Not matter what help was offered, it was never enough and ultimately addiction claimed its prize. When you hear about "rock bottom" it's very easy to envisage what that might be. The reality is unbelievablly lower.
 


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