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U.S. Freedom Fighter bids farewell to congres with some simple questions - A farewell worth hearing


EUrJokingMeRight

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Doctor Ron Paul - Arguably one of the keenest minds in US politics, speaks about 'Individual' freedom in his farewell speech to the US congress yesterday. The questions are as relevant to Ireland and our constitution as they are to the USA.

Thankfully there is plenty of home truths about the USA highlighted by this gentleman.

Without the ideas of ideologists, good ideas for governance cease to exist.

The result is bad government.

[video=youtube;qOgg0LdgTD0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOgg0LdgTD0[/video]
 


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He makes some very good points. It's the slavish cult like following he has that freaks me out. Anyone who breaks down the name Paul in to P-peace AU- gold L- love is just a bit too tin foil hat for me.
 

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He makes some very good points. It's the slavish cult like following he has that freaks me out. Anyone who breaks down the name Paul in to P-peace AU- gold L- love is just a bit too tin foil hat for me.
Absolutely. Maybe a half-decent and honest politician who was unlucky in the freaky followers he acquired.

Like the ones who published the racist newsletters over his name, which he claimed he knew nothing about.
 

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Compared to Obama and Romney he is a man of substance. Whatever about his policies, you can't say the man abandoned his principles. I recall his voting record was very consistent. There was never a hope of him getting a sniff of power. In many ways his legacy will endure for this very reason, because his resolve was never really tested by becoming President. An impressive, knowledgeable speaker. I understand why many are fanatical about him, but could the same not be said of Obama and his unswerving 'I like him cos' hes black' voting block. Are they going to Audit the Federal Reserve as a retirement gift? I'll not hold my breath.
 

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So he didn't win the Presidency then?

He does seem decent and politically consistent but his followers are whackos
 

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Compared to Obama and Romney he is a man of substance. Whatever about his policies, you can't say the man abandoned his principles. I recall his voting record was very consistent. There was never a hope of him getting a sniff of power. In many ways his legacy will endure for this very reason, because his resolve was never really tested by becoming President. An impressive, knowledgeable speaker. I understand why many are fanatical about him, but could the same not be said of Obama and his unswerving 'I like him cos' hes black' voting block. Are they going to Audit the Federal Reserve as a retirement gift? I'll not hold my breath.
Seems to me he comes from the United left alliance school of economics where you can say anything you like and not worry because you will never be in a position to implement it. As I said he seems to be an honourable man but he is unelectable on a national scale.
 

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So he didn't win the Presidency then?

He does seem decent and politically consistent but his followers are whackos
Please do give us your esteemed psychoanalysis of us lost souls.
 

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Title says : US Freedom Fighter......how sad.
 

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He has been one of the few who have ever held firm to his beliefs. Almost every other mainstream politician has been tarnished by war, war crimes, murder, and empire; almost every other politician has been wrong about the consequences of monetary expansion and the real impact of inflation, which has seen most gains go to the rich while the average worker's real earnings have scarcely budged since the late 70s; almost every other politician has acquiesced to the erosion of civil liberties, the introduction if indefinite detention without trial, and the right of the executive to kill without due process; and almost every other politician has been so keen to be an insider and a player that they have never said anything of consequence on any issue.
I am grateful for Ron Paul- he at the very least showed that there was an alternative and that not everyone could be bought. He fought an uphill battle against tremendous odds, powerful institutional enemies and a massive concentration of wealth. But whetever his limited legislative impact, we can say that very few individual congressmen have has as much influence in recent years, so much so that even the Fed was put on the defensive. The fact that Bloomberg discovered over 20 trillion in undeclared bailouts might explain why they were so reluctant to be audited.
And in terms of the battle for ideas, drug laws are being nullified all over the place, gay marriage or a removal of state prohibition has been a libertarian idea since at least the 70s, the growth in interest in Austrian economics has been staggering, and now several congressmen are happy to call themselves Ron Paul republicans.
Paul's two big issues -war and debt- are actually one big issue- the power of the government to violate people's liberty, Over the years he has been right about so many things, and I believe the future will continue to bear him out. After a decade of war, debt and the erosion of freedoms, I believe that the next decade will see much more of the same.
 

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He makes some very good points. It's the slavish cult like following he has that freaks me out. Anyone who breaks down the name Paul in to P-peace AU- gold L- love is just a bit too tin foil hat for me.
Jeebus, Ireland is chock full of such followings for any party be they FF, FG or LAB or SF.

Seriously Firefly your point is true about ANY public figure.
 

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Jeebus, Ireland is chock full of such followings for any party be they FF, FG or LAB or SF.

Seriously Firefly your point is true about ANY public figure.
The cult of Bertie only stretched to drumcondra, the sindo and aul wand who thought he was a lovely fella with his yellow suit.
 

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For the sake of comparison:
Here's a select collection of Bernanke quotes from 2005-2008. | Rob Paris Blog

8/31/07 - At the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City’s Economic Symposium
“It is not the responsibility of the Federal Reserve–nor would it be appropriate–to protect lenders and investors from the consequences of their financial decisions.”
1/10/08 - Q&A after speech
“The Federal Reserve is not currently forecasting a recession.”
2/27/08 - Q&A after testimony to Senate Banking Committee
“I expect there will be some failures [referring to smaller regional banks]. Among the largest banks, the capital ratios remain good and I don’t anticipate any serious problems of that sort among the large, internationally active banks that make up a very substantial part of our banking system.”
6/10/08 - Boston Federal Reserve’s 52nd annual economic conference
“The risk that the economy has entered a substantial downturn appears to have diminished over the past month or so.”
 

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Title says : US Freedom Fighter......how sad.
It is accurate. He wanted US citizens to have more freedoms and stood on that platform.
Maybe you don't understand what liberty means.
 

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And in terms of the battle for ideas, drug laws are being nullified all over the place, gay marriage or a removal of state prohibition has been a libertarian idea since at least the 70s, the growth in interest in Austrian economics has been staggering, and now several congressmen are happy to call themselves Ron Paul republicans. .
Must of what you say is true but you are lying here .... gay marriage was a liberal cause, not a libertarian one. How many "Ron Paul Republicans" publicly declared that the US Goverments should not be snooping into people's bedrooms?

Same for drug laws. How many "Ron Paul Republicans" campaigned for marijuana legalisation in Colorado?

How many "Ron Paul" Republicans made common cause with liberals on the above?

To hear modern right-Libertarians talk, you would think that Ron Paul and his merry band stood shoulder to shoulder with Martin Luther King on the Selma-Montgomery March, or joined him in Bermingham Jail. In fact, the white people who stood up to police dogs, rifles and batons were Liberals, Socialists and even Communists, not Libertarians. You can't change history.

You might want to talk up your particular ideology, but giving it victories it did not achieve, and even hindered, is lying for political gain.
 

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I have a lot of respect for politicians like RP.

I do not hold him responsible for some of his followers, as that is mere whataboutery which avoids dealing with the issues he raises.

Mere deflectionary tactics from those who can not put an argument together that would highlight any inherent problems with RPs position.

My biggest problem with RP was that he was a republican, but as an individual he has great ideas that his party did not like so much.
 

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Please do give us your esteemed psychoanalysis of us lost souls.
It's not hard. Look up all the uses of manganese. Then look up from where the world gets almost all of its manganese (China and South Africa). So there's a reason why we cannot adopt his foreign policy, unless, of course, you wish to live in a society that makes no use of manganese.

And, here, on his racist newsletter, and his pathetic denial re the same:

Paul supporters face three losing propositions. He lacks the competency to control content published under his own name for over a decade, and is thus unfit to lead a country. He doesn't believe these things but considers them a useful political tool to motivate racist whites, which makes him fit to be a GOP candidate, but too obvious about it to win. He's actually a racist, which makes him unfit to be a human being."

For more on his wingnuttery:

"[Is there] an international conspiracy to overthrow our government?" Paul said in 2003, repeating the question of an audience member at his Austin speech. "The answer is 'Yes'. I think there are 25,000 individuals that have used offices of powers, and they are in our Universities and they are in our Congresses, and they believe in One World Government. And if you believe in One World Government, then you are talking about undermining National Sovereignty and you are talking about setting up something that you could well call a dictatorship - and those plans are there!"

For yet more wingnuttery:

"I'm afraid of violence coming," Paul explained to told a huge crowd in Bettendorf, Iowa, in December 2011. "When you see what the government is preparing for, and the arrests and military law, and the demonstrations in the streets, some people aren't going to be convinced so easily that you don't owe them a living."

Lastly, and in other words, it isn't an accident that he attracts loons. He is one himself and birds of a feather and all that...

Almost forgot, but Wingnut Ron Paul wasting your tax dollars on his wingnuttery:

Two More Ron Paul Fed Conspiracy Theories Have Just Been Debunked - Business Insider
 

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Must of what you say is true but you are lying here .... gay marriage was a liberal cause, not a libertarian one. How many "Ron Paul Republicans" publicly declared that the US Goverments should not be snooping into people's bedrooms?

Same for drug laws. How many "Ron Paul Republicans" campaigned for marijuana legalisation in Colorado?

How many "Ron Paul" Republicans made common cause with liberals on the above?

To hear modern right-Libertarians talk, you would think that Ron Paul and his merry band stood shoulder to shoulder with Martin Luther King on the Selma-Montgomery March, or joined him in Bermingham Jail. In fact, the white people who stood up to police dogs, rifles and batons were Liberals, Socialists and even Communists, not Libertarians. You can't change history.

You might want to talk up your particular ideology, but giving it victories it did not achieve, and even hindered, is lying for political gain.
That's fascinating but I don't support Ron Paul "republicans" - I support Ron Paul and the positions he articulated in the two presidential campaigns to which I paid attention, and Ron Paul was pretty clear where he stood from the beginning

I am glad you accused me of "lying". That says more about you than it does about me. Libertarian defences of gay rights as a matter of historical fact stretch right back to the 70s where they campaigned for a striking down of anti-sodomy statutes. And as far as I know, the Libertarian Party itself had gay marriage in its platform since at least 1996.

I am glad you accused me of lying for political gain - it is a measure of the diestress you no doubt feel about the fact that a Southern redneck Christian is now less a threat to peoples than the murder you supported for president. Tell me what I said using direct quotes that is factually incorrect. I will not expect an apology.
 

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I'll miss Ron Paul's voice in Congress. But he's a healthy and active fellow, and no doubt we'll be hearing a lot more from him.
 

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Compared to Obama and Romney he is a man of substance. Whatever about his policies, you can't say the man abandoned his principles. I recall his voting record was very consistent. There was never a hope of him getting a sniff of power. In many ways his legacy will endure for this very reason, because his resolve was never really tested by becoming President. An impressive, knowledgeable speaker. I understand why many are fanatical about him, but could the same not be said of Obama and his unswerving 'I like him cos' hes black' voting block. Are they going to Audit the Federal Reserve as a retirement gift? I'll not hold my breath.

He is in his foot. He was one of the biggest pork barrel specialists out there.

Ron Paul, big-government libertarian - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

Ron Paul's Hypocrisy on Earmarks, Pork-Barrel Spending - Yahoo! News


He may have spoken well, but his actions completely failed to match his words.
 

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