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UDA in talks to end flag protests


Danny10

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UDA leader Jackie McDonald has been in talks with DUP First Minister Peter Robinson and Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt to try to end the ongoing flag-related protests, UTV can reveal.

Demonstrations have been held across Northern Ireland for 11 nights running, ever since a motion was passed to restrict the flying of the Union flag at Belfast City Hall to designated days.

"As I said to Peter Robinson and Mike Nesbitt, you can't tell the protestors anything - you have to ask them," Mr McDonald told UTV.

"You have to speak to them; you have to listen to them. We have to have dialogue with them, because they are angry."

While numerous peaceful protests have been held by loyalists, a number of areas have been subjected to violence and traffic disruptions when demonstrations resulted in blocked roads.

Concerns have also been expressed about the economic impact, particularly so close to Christmas.

Mr McDonald says that he supports the protests 100%, but that he condemns any violence and also feels for the traders in Belfast who have been affected by disruption.

The UDA leader told UTV that one proposal being discussed is the setting up of a joint unionist-loyalist group or taskforce to find an agreed way forward.

"One taskforce might not be enough," Mr McDonald added.

"It has to be widespread and it has to be all inclusive, where nobody feels left out."

Mr McDonald met with the DUP leader on Monday, with MLA Nelson McCausland also present, before further talks also involving the UUP leader were held at Stormont Castle on Wednesday night.


UDA in talks to end flag protests - UTV Live News



Three questions for people to think about:

One, why are the UDA and other loyalist paramilitary gangs treated as if they were political parties?
Two, why are their self-described leaders not being brought to Maghaberry prison in handcuffs?
Three, why are the DUP and Ulster Unionists even opening negotiations with the UDA if they (as they are claiming tonight) are not directing the protests? :lol:
 


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UDA leader Jackie McDonald has been in talks with DUP First Minister Peter Robinson and Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt to try to end the ongoing flag-related protests, UTV can reveal.

Demonstrations have been held across Northern Ireland for 11 nights running, ever since a motion was passed to restrict the flying of the Union flag at Belfast City Hall to designated days.

"As I said to Peter Robinson and Mike Nesbitt, you can't tell the protestors anything - you have to ask them," Mr McDonald told UTV.

"You have to speak to them; you have to listen to them. We have to have dialogue with them, because they are angry."

While numerous peaceful protests have been held by loyalists, a number of areas have been subjected to violence and traffic disruptions when demonstrations resulted in blocked roads.

Concerns have also been expressed about the economic impact, particularly so close to Christmas.

Mr McDonald says that he supports the protests 100%, but that he condemns any violence and also feels for the traders in Belfast who have been affected by disruption.

The UDA leader told UTV that one proposal being discussed is the setting up of a joint unionist-loyalist group or taskforce to find an agreed way forward.

"One taskforce might not be enough," Mr McDonald added.

"It has to be widespread and it has to be all inclusive, where nobody feels left out."

Mr McDonald met with the DUP leader on Monday, with MLA Nelson McCausland also present, before further talks also involving the UUP leader were held at Stormont Castle on Wednesday night.


UDA in talks to end flag protests - UTV Live News

1 Because shinners are.
2 Because shinner leaders aren't.
3 Because they can 'help monitor people on the ground'.

:)



Three questions for people to think about:

One, why are the UDA and other loyalist paramilitary gangs treated as if they were political parties?
Two, why are their self-described leaders not being brought to Maghaberry prison in handcuffs?
Three, why are the DUP and Ulster Unionists even opening negotiations with the UDA if they (as they are claiming tonight) are not directing the protests? :lol:
 

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UDA leader Jackie McDonald has been in talks with DUP First Minister Peter Robinson and Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt to try to end the ongoing flag-related protests, UTV can reveal.

Demonstrations have been held across Northern Ireland for 11 nights running, ever since a motion was passed to restrict the flying of the Union flag at Belfast City Hall to designated days.

"As I said to Peter Robinson and Mike Nesbitt, you can't tell the protestors anything - you have to ask them," Mr McDonald told UTV.

"You have to speak to them; you have to listen to them. We have to have dialogue with them, because they are angry."

While numerous peaceful protests have been held by loyalists, a number of areas have been subjected to violence and traffic disruptions when demonstrations resulted in blocked roads.

Concerns have also been expressed about the economic impact, particularly so close to Christmas.

Mr McDonald says that he supports the protests 100%, but that he condemns any violence and also feels for the traders in Belfast who have been affected by disruption.

The UDA leader told UTV that one proposal being discussed is the setting up of a joint unionist-loyalist group or taskforce to find an agreed way forward.

"One taskforce might not be enough," Mr McDonald added.

"It has to be widespread and it has to be all inclusive, where nobody feels left out."

Mr McDonald met with the DUP leader on Monday, with MLA Nelson McCausland also present, before further talks also involving the UUP leader were held at Stormont Castle on Wednesday night.


UDA in talks to end flag protests - UTV Live News



Three questions for people to think about:

One, why are the UDA and other loyalist paramilitary gangs treated as if they were political parties?
Two, why are their self-described leaders not being brought to Maghaberry prison in handcuffs?
Three, why are the DUP and Ulster Unionists even opening negotiations with the UDA if they (as they are claiming tonight) are not directing the protests? :lol:
Three very valid questions Danny, I have many more, lets see how your thread progresses.
 

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1 Because shinners are.
2 Because shinner leaders aren't.
3 Because they can 'help monitor people on the ground'.
I wouldn't even be questioning this if UTV news were saying that the Ulster Political Research Group were in talks with the DUP.
I find it astonishing that the UDA as an organisation are treated as if they were a political party. They patently are not.

As for "monitoring" people on the ground. I thought that was the job of the PSNI? Seems there is still a parallel justice system in both nationalist and loyalist communities.
 

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1 Because shinners are.
2 Because shinner leaders aren't.
3 Because they can 'help monitor people on the ground'.
 

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I wouldn't even be questioning this if UTV news were saying that the Ulster Political Research Group were in talks with the DUP.
I find it astonishing that the UDA as an organisation are treated as if they were a political party. They patently are not.
They still have....ermmm.....influence ? :)
 

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Correction sir.......they should be in handcuffs and in a secure facility.
Indeed.........but why should votes, or the lack thereof, deny lady justice ? :)
 

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Indeed.........but why should votes, or the lack thereof, deny lady justice ? :)
SF leaders may be also leaders of a proscribed organisation, but you won't find any evidence of it.
The PSNI could lock up every UDA brigideer there is if they wanted, because they publicly admit their own membership of said proscribed organisation. Thats evidence that will stand up in any court.

But none of them will see the inside of a courtroom. Instead they'll be driven to Stormont for tea, biscuits and community "monitoring" jobs for all their associates. Why? Because as you put it, they have "influence" with the State.
 

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Three questions for people to think about:

One, why are the UDA and other loyalist paramilitary gangs treated as if they were political parties?
Two, why are their self-described leaders not being brought to Maghaberry prison in handcuffs?
Three, why are the DUP and Ulster Unionists even opening negotiations with the UDA if they (as they are claiming tonight) are not directing the protests? :lol:
I suppose it could be argued that the UUP and DUP are effectively the political wings of the armed unionist movement, in the same manner SF and the IRA were two completely separate bodies that shared the same goals and ideologies.
 

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I suppose it could be argued that the UUP and DUP are effectively the political wings of the armed unionist movement, in the same manner SF and the IRA were two completely separate bodies that shared the same goals and ideologies.
Who are you trying to convince of this? :?
 

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I suppose it could be argued that the UUP and DUP are effectively the political wings of the armed unionist movement, in the same manner SF and the IRA were two completely separate bodies that shared the same goals and ideologies.
The UUP can't be regarded in that way. They would be the equivalent of the SDLP on the unionist side, they would have been far less likely to associate with loyalist paramilitaries than the DUP.
 

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The UUP can't be regarded in that way. They would be the equivalent of the SDLP on the unionist side, they would have been far less likely to associate with loyalist paramilitaries than the DUP.
From the formation of the UVF and the Larne gunrunning to Drumcree and beyond armed loyalism and political unionism have been inextricably linked.
 

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And the British Communist Party, along with its various factions, weren't agent's of the Kremlin. So what?
I think its fair to say that they weren't. Communism does not equate to some kind of Russian nationalism with a red flag. Communism is an ideological position that is indigenous to every society with antagonistic social relations. Every society on earth in other words, including British society.

Members of the British CP were British Communists. Not British pro-Russians.
 

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